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rookie
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Brother Phillip wrote:

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This is not the Gospel of Christ hidden from all time and revealed only to Paul,



Who is the Holy One that Solomon testifies of?

Prov. 9:10 “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,
And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

I believe that Christ is the Holy One, how about you?

In Christ
Jeff


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Proverbs 9:10 The fear


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Titles and names
Of Christ
Abraham’s Seed (Genesis 22:18; Galatians 3:16).
Advocate (1 John 2:1).
Almighty (Revelation 1:8).
Alpha and Omega (Revelation 1:8; 22:13).
Amen (Revelation 3:14).
Angel (Genesis 48:16; Exodus 23:20,21).
Angel of God’s presence (Isaiah 63:9).
Angel of the Lord (Exodus 3:2; Judges 13:15-22).
Apostle (Hebrews 3:1).
Arm of the Lord (Isaiah 51:9; 53:1).
Author and Finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2).
Author of eternal salvation (Hebrews 5:9).
Beginning of the creation of God (Revelation 3:14).
Beloved (Ephesians 1:6).
Beloved Son (Matthew 12:18).
Blessed and only Potentate (1 Timothy 6:15).
Branch (Jeremiah 23:5; Zechariah 3:8; 6:12).
Bread of Life (John 6:35, 48).
Bridegroom (Matthew 9:15).
Bright and Morning Star (Revelation 22:16).
Captain of Salvation (Hebrews 2:10).
Captain of the Lord’s hosts (Joshua 5:14,15).
Carpenter (Mark 6:3).
Carpenter’s Son (Matthew 13:55).
Chief Cornerstone (Ephesians 2:20; 1 Peter 2:6).
Chief Shepherd (1 Peter 5:4).
Christ (Matthew 16:20; Mark 14:16; Luke 23:2).
Christ Jesus (Acts 19:4; Romans 3:24; 8:1; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 1:30).
Christ Jesus our Lord (Romans 8:39; 1 Timothy 1:12).
Christ of God (Luke 9:20).
Christ the Lord (Luke 2:11).
Commander (Isaiah 55:4).
Consolation of Israel (Luke 2:25).
Cornerstone (Matthew 21:42; Ephesians 2:20).
Counselor (Isaiah 9:6).
Creator (John 1:3).
David (Jeremiah 30:9; Ezekiel 34:23).
Dayspring (Luke 1:78).
Deliverer (Romans 11:26).
Desire of all nations (Haggai 2:7).
Door (John 10:7).
Elect of God (Isaiah 42:1).
Eternal life (1 John 1:2; 5:20).
Everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6).
Faithful and True (Revelation 19:11).
Faithful witness (Revelation 1:5; 3:14).
First and Last (Revelation 1:17; 2:8).
Firstborn (Psalms 89:27; Hebrews 1:6; Revelation 1:5).
Forerunner (Hebrews 6:20).
Fountain (Zechariah 13:1).
Glory of the Lord (Isaiah 40:5).
God (Isaiah 40:9; John 20:28).
God blessed forever (Romans 9:5).
God’s fellow (Zechariah 13:7).
Good Shepherd (John 10:14).
Governor (Matthew 2:6).
Great High Priest (Hebrews 4:14).
Head of the Church (Ephesians 5:23; Colossians 1:18).
Heir of all things (Hebrews 1:2).
High Priest (Hebrews 4:14).
Holy Child (Acts 4:27).
Holy One (Psalms 16:10, with Acts 2:27; 3:14).
Holy One of God (Mark 1:24).
Holy One of Israel (Isaiah 41:14; 54:5).
Horn of salvation (Luke 1:69).
I AM, (Exodus 3:14, with John 8:58).
Image of God (2 Corinthians 4:4).
Immanuel (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23).
Jesus (Matthew 1:21; 1 Thessalonians 1:10).
Jesus Christ (Matthew 1:1).
Jesus of Nazareth (Matthew 21:11; Mark 1:24; Luke 24:19).
Judge (Acts 10:42; 2 Timothy 4:8).
Judge of Israel (Micah 5:1).
Just One (Acts 7:52; 22:14).
King (Zechariah 9:9, with Matthew 21:5).
King of Glory (Psalms 24:7-10).
King of Israel (John 1:49).
King of Kings (1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 17:14).
King of peace (Hebrews 7:2).
King of righteousness (Hebrews 7:2).
King of Saints (Revelation 15:3).
King of Salem (Hebrews 7:1).
King of the Jews (Matthew 2:2; 27:37; John 19:19).
King of Zion (Matthew 21:25).
Lamb (Revelation 5:6, 12; 13:8; 21:22; 22:3).
Lamb of God (John 1:29, 36).
Lawgiver (Isaiah 33:22).
Leader (Isaiah 55:4).
Life (John 14:6; Colossians 3:4; 1 John 1:2).
Light of the world (John 1:8; 8:12).
Lily of the valleys (Song of Solomon 2:1).
Lion of the tribe of Judah (Revelation 5:5).
Living Bread (John 6:51).
Living Stone (1 Peter 2:4).
Lord and Savior (2 Peter 1:11; 3:18).
Lord Christ (Colossians 3:24).
Lord God Almighty (Revelation 15:3).
Lord God of the holy prophets (Revelation 22:6).
Lord Jesus (Acts 7:59; Colossians 3:17).
Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 11:17; 16:31; 20:21).
Lord of all (Acts 10:36).
Lord of glory (1 Corinthians 2:8; James 2:1).
Lord of Hosts (Isaiah 44:6).
Lord of Lords (1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 17:14; 19:16).
Lord our righteousness (Jeremiah 23:6; 33:16).
Man of Sorrows (Isaiah 53:3).
Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5).
Messenger of the covenant (Malachi 3:1).
Messiah (Daniel 9:25; John 1:41).
Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6).
Mighty One of Israel (Isaiah 30:29).
Mighty One of Jacob (Isaiah 49:26; 60:16).
Morningstar (Revelation 22:16; 2 Peter 1:19).
Most Holy (Daniel 9:24).
Nazarene (Matthew 2:23).
Offspring of David (Revelation 22:16).
Only Begotten Son (John 1:18).
Only Begotten (John 1:14).
Our Passover (1 Corinthians 5:7).
Potentate (1 Timothy 6:15).
Power of God (1 Corinthians 1:24).
Prince (Acts 5:31).
Prince of life (Acts 3:15).
Prince of peace (Isaiah 9:6).
Prince of the kings of the earth (Revelation 1:5).
Prophet (Matthew 21:11; Luke 24:19; John 7:40).
Rabbi (John 1:49).
Rabboni (John 20:16).
Ransom (1 Timothy 2:6).
Redeemer (Job 19:25; Isaiah 59:20; Isaiah 60:16).
Resurrection and life (John 11:25).
Rock (1 Corinthians 10:4).
Rock of Offence (1 Peter 2:8).
Root of David (Revelation 5:5; 22:16).
Root of Jesse (Isaiah 11:10).
Rose of Sharon (Song of Solomon 2:1).
Ruler of Israel (Micah 5:2).
Savior (Luke 2:11; 2 Peter 2:20; 3:18).
Savior of the Body (Ephesians 5:23).
Sceptre (Numbers 24:17).
Second Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45).
Second Man (1 Corinthians 15:47).
Seed of David (2 Timothy 2:8).
Seed of woman (Genesis 3:15).
Servant (Isaiah 42:1; 52:13; 53:11; Acts 4:30).
Servant of Rulers (Isaiah 49:7).
Shepherd (Mark 14:27).
Shepherd and Overseer of Souls (1 Peter 2:25).
Shepherd of Israel (Psalms 80:1).
Shiloh (Genesis 49:10).
Son of David (Matthew 9:27).
Son of God (Luke 1:35; John 1:49).
Son of Joseph (John 6:42).
Son of man (John 5:27).
Son of the Blessed (Mark 14:61).
Son of the Father (2 John 1:3).
Son of the Highest (Luke 1:32).
Star (Numbers 24:17).
Stone of Stumbling (1 Peter 2:8).
Sun of righteousness (Malachi 4:2).
Sure Foundation (Isaiah 28:16).
Surety (Hebrews 7:22).
Teacher (Matthew 23:8; John 3:2).
Tender Plant (Isaiah 53:2).
True God (1 John 5:20).
True Light (John 1:9).
True Vine (John 15:1).
Truth (John 14:6).
Vine (John 15:1).
Way (John 14:6).
Wisdom (Proverbs 8:12).
Wisdom of God (1 Corinthians 1:24).
Witness (Isaiah 55:4; Revelation 1:5).
Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6).
Word (John 1:1; 1 John 5:7).
Word of God (Revelation 19:13).
Word of Life (1 John 1:1).



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rookie
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Brother Phillip wrote:

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Solomon was not speaking of Jesus Christ the Only begotten Son of God who had not been born yet. He was speaking of The National God of Israel.





1Cor. 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

Also...

9 nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents;


Here Paul teaches that the nation was under Christ and that some of them tempted Christ...

Is this the National God of Israel?

In Christ
Jeff


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Brother Phillip wrote:

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We are made righteous by "Jehovah our Righteousness"






Job 33:26 He shall pray to God, and He will delight in him,
He shall see His face with joy,
For He restores to man His righteousness.

What does this Scripture mean when the Holy Spirit says that "He restores to man His righteousness."?

In Christ
Jeff


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Brother Phillip,

How does one know that he has the "faith of Christ?"

In Christ
Jeff


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rookie wrote:
How does one know that he has the "faith of Christ?"

In Christ
Jeff


This is the same argument that James was ponting out:
[b]James 2:18[/b] [color=990000]Yea, a man may say, you have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.[/color]

The works here is obediance.
One might only think they have faith just because they admit the truth. However, their actions speak louder than words.
Obediance prooves your faith or Completes your faith.
[b]James 2:22[/b] [color=990000]Do you see that his faith was working together with his works(obediance), and by means of the works his faith was perfected?[/color]

Faith is concieved from acknowlagment of the truth and perfected in the reliance on the reality of it.

Faith is proven bi works, works of faith is in LOVE!!!!

[b]James 2:15-17 [color=990000]If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[b]:16[/b] And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[b]:17[/b] Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.[/color]



[b]1John 3:16-18[/b] [color=990000]Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
[b]:17[/b] But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
[b]:18[/b] My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.[/color]

 2006/11/28 9:01Profile









 Re: 'Faith' in what - or whom

On p5 Logic stated

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If Jesus has faith, that would change the definition of the meaning for faith.

I don't understand what you find difficult about the idea that Jesus exercised faith. He became a man like us. He was frequently led to comment on the lack of faith of the people in Israel because their lack of faith disappointed Him so.

If we are supposed to be like Him, and [u]we[/u] need faith, then surely pure logic (sorry ;-)) determines being like Him demands that He had faith, Himself. His Father had faith in Him, and He had faith in His Father - as we should also.

I base this (above) thesis on His accepted role as our Substitute (when He died in our places), or put another way, 'the Representative Man'.

On p6 Logic stated
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Furethermore, the Law is not temperary, accept that it will not be needed in Glory.

The Law was added and is temporary until the New Covenant which indisputably replaced the Old Covenant. (See Hebrews.)

Above, Logic stated
Quote:
This is the same argument that James was ponting out:
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, you have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

The works here is obediance.
One might only think they have faith just because they admit the truth. However, their actions speak louder than words.
Obediance prooves your faith or Completes your faith..

According to Peter (and the other apostles):

Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

In other words, the obedience to which you refer comes before receiving the Holy Ghost. The verses in James refer to the effect of [i]previous[/i] obedience to receive Him - that by faith, we can do the good works for which we were created and which were created for us to walk in. (Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.)

I agree that we obey Him after we have received the Holy Spirit - that that is part of the effect of having received the Holy Spirit - but I disagree that obedience was not possible [i]prior[/i] to receiving the Holy Spirit, or neither would be repentance (for instance), which is also an act of obedience to truth.

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;


It is sloppy 'charismatic' thinking that we have to [i]feel like[/i] we can obey Him because of having been prompted by the Holy Spirit to do so.

That kind of thinking implies we can do nothing to please God before we have been born again. True, the pleasing of God changes gear [i]after[/i] we are born again, but if it were not possible to come to Him (that journey made by the prodigal son, for instance, watched lovingly by the Father until he was within running distance), then no-one would be saved.... would they?

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dorcas wrote:
On p5 Logic stated
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If Jesus has faith, that would change the definition of the meaning for faith.

I don't understand what you find difficult about the idea that Jesus exercised faith. He became a man like us. He was frequently led to comment on the lack of faith of the people in Israel because their lack of faith disappointed Him so.



[b]Hebrews 11:1[/b] [color=990000]Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.[/color]

In other words faith is substantial evidence of our [b]hope[/b].

Therefore,
[b]Rom 8:24-25[/b] [color=990000] for we were saved by hope, but hope being seen is not hope; for what anyone sees, why does he also hope?
[b]:24[/b] But if we hope for what we do not see, through patience we wait eagerly.[/color]

Based on the [u]American Heritage Dictionary[/u], Faith is Belief that does not rest on physical proof or material evidence.

All I am saing that Jesus is God, therefore, He hadn't Hope nor Faith, it was actual knowlege that He had. He knew that He was God so He didn't need faith.

Quote:
Quote:
Furethermore, the Law is not temperary, accept that it will not be needed in Glory.

The Law was added and is temporary until the New Covenant which indisputably replaced the Old Covenant.

Again,The Law is not temporary, even in the New Covenant, for that is the Law writen on our hearts.
[b]Matthew 5:18[/b] [color=990000]Truly I say to you, Until the heaven and the earth pass away, in no way shall one iota or one point pass away from the Law until all comes to pass.[/color]
&
[b]Luke 16:17[/b]
Furthermore, we are not to be Lawless!

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"""by rookie on 2006/11/27 21:40:22

Brother Phillip,

How does one know that he has the "faith of Christ?"

In Christ
Jeff"""



The work of Christ for us is the object of faith; the Spirit’s work in us is the one who works this faith... and our peace and justification come. It is so simple, that we just can't believe it, but it is true, our faith cannot save, only the Faith of Jesus Christ, the object of Faith itself makes salvation, by only believing work.

Jesus indeed is our Savior, not our Faith. But our Faith, our belief, is like the rod of Moses: Without the touch of the rod the water would not have gushed forth from the rock; yet it was the rock and not the rod, that contained and gave the water, even when Moses did it wrong, the Rock gushed forth life, and Christ is our living water that gushes forth life by our simply saying yes or no to God when he offers His Son to the whole world, by the Author and Finisher of our Faith. We are not the Author of Faith or the Finisher, that is why we go from Faith to greater Faith. Hbr 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God.



""""Some scholars claim that "the most common distortion in the Church today of 'the doctrine of Grace' is in Christians attempting to make faith an action on our part, rather than humbly accepting that the faith we have is by the sovereign action of God. No one has faith of their own free will, faith comes by the divine will of God, through the gracious work of Christ. Yet in many circles we are continually told that the scriptures should read our 'faith in Christ,' rather than the 'faith of Christ.'"
They even mention the word "heresy", and so, all those Bibles above mentioned would be heretics: "A man is not justified by his own faith or his own work (in keeping the law), but by the 'faith of Christ.' Being justified by our own faith would be Biblically heretical. The Holy canon is clear, accurate, and unambiguous in it's declarations that we are justified by the faith of Christ. Just as clear is that it is not by 'our faith in Christ,' which would mean we are justified by our own action of believing. This would be an impossibility. We are justified by His work, not our own. If there was the slightest chance that it was by our faith in Christ that we were justified, that would be a merit system for man. This is not something through which true grace could work. In fact, it would be anti-Christ, and anti-grace (Romans 11:6). For if at all by our works, it cannot be by grace." """" http://members.aol.com/twarren17/faithof.html

In Christ: Phillip


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