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philologos
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Heb. 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.
What might one understand "the substance" to be?
A quick look at the [url=http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/versions.pl?book=Hbr&chapter=11&verse=1&version=KJV#1]Blue Letter Bible version comparisons[/url] will illustrate the meaning of 'substance' in this passage. Faith is the inward conviction of things beyond our natural sight and reach.
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| | Re: | | Brother Ron wrote:
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Faith is the inward conviction of things beyond our natural sight and reach.
According to Scripture what source is responsible for this "inward conviction of things beyond our natural sight and reach?"
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| | Re: | | Brother Phillip wrote:
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Not a spiritual seed but a physical seed
Genesis 3:15 is directed to Satan. Is Satan physical or spiritual in nature?
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philologos
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According to Scripture what source is responsible for this "inward conviction of things beyond our natural sight and reach?"
[color=0000ff]Therefore [u]it is of faith, that it might be by grace[/u]; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
(Rom 4:16 KJVS)[/color]
...faith works by grace.
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| | Re: | | Jeff wrote:
"Genesis 3:15 is directed to Satan. Is Satan physical or spiritual in nature?"
Satan's seed is spiritual, her seed is physical and spiritual Jesus Christ In the desert Physically, Mary's Seed physical and Satan's seed spiritual. This is the promise of Gen 3:15.
In Christ: Phillip
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rookie
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| | Re: | | 15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.
First, we begin with the promise that there will be hatred between Satan and the woman...
This speaks of hatred which exists before the birth of any seed. In the entirety of Scripture we find that the battle is spiritual in nature. The earthly woman in Scripture is never said to have the seed in procreation. And in terms of the virgin Mary, by what means was she made pregnant?
Secondly, the seed of Satan speaks of the spiritual birth of Satan in the flesh of man. Jesus speaks of this in John 8
John 8:42 Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
Do you see the two groups depicted here in Scripture?
Jesus says to the Pharisees, If God were your Father, you would love Me,..."
But because Satan is their father, they hate Jesus...
Thoughtout Scripture we find the fulfillment of this promise in both the OT and NT.
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Jeff
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rookie
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| | Re: | | Brother Ron quoted...
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that it might be by grace;
By what means does God deliver grace to the individual?
In other words...
Psalm 119
18 Open my eyes, that I may see
Wondrous things from Your law.
19 I am a stranger in the earth;
Do not hide Your commandments from me.
27 Make me understand the way of Your precepts;
So shall I meditate on Your wonderful works.
29 Remove from me the way of lying,
And grant me Your law graciously.
35 Make me walk in the path of Your commandments,
For I delight in it.
36 Incline my heart to Your testimonies,
And not to covetousness.
37 Turn away my eyes from looking at worthless things,
And revive me in Your way.
Are these examples of the grace necessary for one to have a faith that has it's source in God?
In Christ
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philologos
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By what means does God deliver grace to the individual?
As you indicate here, grace is not itself 'the means' but the source; faith is the means.
[color=0000ff]Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(Eph 2:5,8 KJVS)[/color]
God saves 'by grace' but 'through faith'.
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| | Re: | | Brother Ron wrote:
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As you indicate here, grace is not itself 'the means' but the source; faith is the means.
Could Abraham have faith without God speaking to him?
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Could Abraham have faith without God speaking to him?
My definition of faith is 'response to revelation'.
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