Every time I hear a person speak in an unknown tongue, be it a different language such as Russian, or what some say is Angle talk, The Spirit checks me and tells me watch the people speaking, what do you see. So far all I see is a pride in what they are doing.
_________________Ron Bailey
This is not my judgment Ron, it is the word of God. If we look at scripture with a mind to the Holy Spirit teaching us truth about Christ, which Christ said He would send to us for this very purpose, we see that tongues have been since the 1800's and 1900's the most divisive doctrine in the Body of Christ. It also detracts from The Truth of Christ In us, who has done the change in our nature by His Nature being born again in us. Jesus spoke always, every place He went with understanding and truth. The Holy Spirit will be the same Teacher of this truth and understanding. He even teach us things we don't understand. With the truth of scripture Paul said as all know in this particular subject, "I would rather speak 5 works with understanding that 10,000 in an unknown tongue, unknown tongue is the very center of this discussion. Unless we can translate the language being spoken, it is said, "keep silent in the churches". I am sorry you think this is a judgment on my part. If it is my judgment then I am in very thin Ice and in and area that God will change very aggressively and I will repent. The Holy Spirit keeps revealing truth and building upon the truth that Tongues are different languages of the Earth that God dispersed at the tower of Babble and bringing all of us into one mind until we all come to the truth and using the gift of tongues (Language interpretation and speaking different languages to reveal the Gospel of Christ in you to the world) of bringing us together in Christ, the gift of tongues, that is interpretation of languages and give the truth of Jesus Christ to all that will hear, no matter their nationality or language. The gift is for the unsaved, not the saved to be used for self. 1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. Phl 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, [being] of one accord, of one mind.Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:In the Unity of the Faith, Christ in us: Phillip
_________________Phillip
hmmm...Well I have just read through the thread form beginning to end and I must say, I feel like it is on a carosel...round and round and round. Interresting points are being presented though.Well I hesitate to say anything at all because I sense doing so is like standing between two companies of soldiers shooting at each other.Oh well,Well, this is comming from a person who prays in tongues daily. Though I cannot help but to imagine that if any of you were in the same room as me when I am praying in tungues every one of you would think me insane.When I pray in tongues it builds up my spirit. How can I explain it? Well first of all, if you have never prayed in tongues you will not be able to fully grasp this, but I feel my inner man strengthen. Have you ever been in a church service and the message being preached is so good that your spirit gets excited and encouraged and you walk out of church energized and refreshed. That is how I feel whenever I pray in tongues. I may be sitting at my computer like I am now and just say a few words in tongues and my spirt just jumps in excitement and I have a sensation similar to that of water being poured over dry skin. Not that my spirit is dry, but that tongues brings a refreshing. When I pray in tongues, it is like my spirit is in a gym and is working out. You know how your body feels when you just come out of the gym, bulging? Without the soreness though.I have prayed for many things in my life using my tongues prayer language and seen the miraculous happen.I also find that praying in tongues stirrs up the prophetic within me. Being on the mission field I get the opportunity to pray for people after I hold a church service. I like to minister out of the prophetic when praying for people, because it actualy gives understanding to the person being prayed for rather than rambling off in tongues and saying nothing in english. Not that it is bad, but their minds need something to either encorage it or correct it. Sometimes I will lay hands on someone and have absolutely no word to give them or nothing about their life to pray for. So I will just pray in tongues and it stirrs up the Spirit, and God will show me something to either tell them or pray for. The prophetic is not just foretelling but also forth-telling and bringing correction.I will admitt, I do not understand what I am praying in tongues nor does it sound like an earthly language, though God often reveals to my spirit what it is that I am praying for.There are several diversities of tongues. Not every time you speek in tongues there is going to be an interpretation or understanding of it, that is why Paul was correcting the Corinthians, because they went so far as to preach in tongues. Though he does go to say that speaking in tongues is not wrong, for he claimed to speak in tongues more than them all.Well, I've stuck my head in the path of somone's argument.Be blessed and encouraged.
_________________Keith
WorldView's
There are several diversities of tongues. Not every time you speek in tongues there is going to be an interpretation or understanding of it, that is why Paul was correcting the Corinthians, because they went so far as to preach in tongues.
?? That is basically what I said, but I was a little more specific about it. Imagine you attend a church where the pastor just gets up on stage to preach and for an hour long speaks only in tongues and with no interpretation and then at the end says, "Got it? Amen yall be blessed now." That is an example of the kind of stuff that was going. Is that an exact example? No, because I wasn't there, but the idea is that they went around speaking in tongues to each other as if people somehow understood it.I hope that clarifies what I meant.
Hi philologos,
120 tongues speakers would more than be sufficient for all the language groups referred to in Acts 2:9-11. The list actually comprises less than 20 people groups.
Worldview said:
When I pray in tongues it builds up my spirit. How can I explain it? Well first of all, if you have never prayed in tongues you will not be able to fully grasp this,
but I feel my inner man strengthen. Have you ever been in a church service and the message being preached is so good that your spirit gets excited and encouraged and you walk out of church energized and refreshed. That is how I feel whenever I pray in tongues. I may be sitting at my computer like I am now and just say a few words in tongues and my spirt just jumps in excitement and I have a sensation similar to that of water being poured over dry skin. Not that my spirit is dry, but that tongues brings a refreshing. When I pray in tongues, it is like my spirit is in a gym and is working out. You know how your body feels when you just come out of the gym, bulging? Without the soreness though.I have prayed for many things in my life using my tongues prayer language and seen the miraculous happen.I also find that praying in tongues stirrs up the prophetic within me. Being on the mission field I get the opportunity to pray for people after I hold a church service. I like to minister out of the prophetic when praying for people, because it actualy gives understanding to the person being prayed for rather than rambling off in tongues and saying nothing in english. Not that it is bad, but their minds need something to either encorage it or correct it.
Sometimes I will lay hands on someone and have absolutely no word to give them or nothing about their life to pray for. So I will just pray in tongues and it stirrs up the Spirit, and God will show me something to either tell them or pray for.
The prophetic is not just foretelling but also forth-telling and bringing correction.I will admitt, I do not understand what I am praying in tongues nor does it sound like an earthly language, though God often reveals to my spirit what it is that I am praying for.
I'm willing to believe they were actually speaking the earthly languages of those that were 'hear'ing in their own language, but my original point was simply that perhaps God gave the interpretation of 'other' tongues, to those who heard, in the same way as there is an intellectual disconnect between the tongues given in church meetings, and the interpretation by someone which a gift of interpretation.
...we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.(Acts 2:11 KJVS)
?? That is basically what I said, but I was a little more specific about it. Imagine you attend a church where the pastor just gets up on stage to preach and for an hour long speaks only in tongues and with no interpretation and then at the end says, "Got it? Amen yall be blessed now." That is an example of the kind of stuff that was going. Is that an exact example? No, because I wasn't there, but the idea is that they went around speaking in tongues to each other as if people somehow understood it.
One of the great things about tongues, generally speaking, is that when someone has given such a tongue utterance he has to be quiet until God gives someone else the interpretation.
_________________Paul Frederick West