brethren
i can agree that some prophets do seek attention for themselves but a true prophet of God[i]does[/i]get much attention because the word of God is offensive and it gets people's attention. i think of the prophets who were written of in the word, they got a lot of attention, not out of wanting it for themselves but as a byproduct of serving God.

don't know about this kim guy, but we ought to keep our spiritual eyes and ears open, God may speak through anyone at any time and we won't be able to say we didn't get the memo...just a thought

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Farai Bamu

Well, I suppose I'm a bit of a fundamentalist, believing that God's Word isn't a progressive thing, that it's sufficient in its entirety, and complete as it is now.

I think Kim Clement ate too many onions before he went to bed and had a bad dream. his web page looks like a Las Vegas act. :-D J-bird

Kim Clement explains in his own words concerning the teachings of sin, grace and salvation.

“I thought that Christianity was based on a relationship resulting from grace. My idea that each person is born with a treasure in their spirit is mocked, and I am accused of being a new age prophet because I will NOT focus on their sin but rather on their treasure”[emphasis his] ....... “I know how a sinner feels because I have been one”........I do not believe that you must be born again to obtain salvation.......you cannot and will not make a disciple out of a sinner who has been introduced to Jesus Christ on the basis of their sinful inheritance only.”

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'Nuff said... He's a soothesayer that needs Jesus.

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Sba

bro gf

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Farai Bamu

he also said this on his website under the title "doctrine"

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Farai Bamu

I presume it was during one of his interviews with the media ?

*shrugs*

I really don't buy into mainstream prophesy at all... or anything mainstream for that matter.

Lies from the pit of hell is what I say they are.

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Sba

oh ok i see, coz it seems then he's had a change of heart since or before what is on his website.

what is mainstream prophecy anyway? and what would the true prophecy look/be like in comparison to the mainstream?

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Farai Bamu

I'm cautious by nature. That is probably a result of being analytical. I desire to discern everything. I fully believe that we can know wether something is or is not of God.

God can speak through many people, even those with messed up doctine. He even established wisdom in the mouths of nursing infants and babes as Psalms put it.

Does Kim Clement hold that same position on salvation? Maybe it has changed, I know my understanding of the things of God is still being refined, but that does not mean that God cannot speak through him, especially since many of his prophecies have come to pass. Though I cannot help but to be skeptical of ones that have not come to pass, but prophecies are not always something that will definitely happen but are determined by those being prophesied over.

For example people have spoken words from the Lord over my life, all share similarities, but they just aren't just going to happen regardless. Someone may tell me that the Lord showed them that I would be ministering as an apostle, but if I never get up off my butt and start to do the work of the Lord, it will never happen.

Anyways...
I believe that the Lord can speak to any one of His children regarding things of the natural and spiritual realm. His sheep hear his voice.

Yeah the prophetic arena does have areas where it needs correcting (so does the pastoral, evangelists, teachers, apostles and Body of Christ in general) but it does not mean that it should be dismissed all-together. We are the body and byg etting fed up with the prophetic and totally dismissing it is like cutting off our arm saying we dont need it. If we dismiss a functioning because it is not perfect then that means we should dismiss pastors, teachers, apostles and evangelists too, because they also have their imperfections.

The problem is that the body of Christ is too buisy fighting itself to fight the devil. And the devil is sitting back and laughing his head off, because we are all trying to separate ourself from each other. It is like a person quartering their own body. ..mmmm....Quite sad.

The devil is not as stupid as we would like to think he is. Lucifer is a tactical genious. What? Do you think he accidentally stumbled and just so happened to gain control of world pilitics, commerce, billions of unsaved people and even dividing and weakening the Body of Christ? You think he accidentally tainted the prophetic, pastoral, teachers, evangelists and apostles? He knows what he is doing, and we sit back and allow ourselves to be manipulated by him. Once again....quite sad....

Anyways, I know I had more to say but I forgot it...hmmm o well. If I remember, then I'll add it.

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Keith

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D.Miller