Stever's response to Philologos:

The Burnt offering is a voluntary offering, and represents worship. The animals sacrificed were: Bull, Lamb, Goat, Dove or Pigeon. The Family Priest (who was a sinner, just like all of mankind after Adam) would lay his hands onto the head of the animal, thus becoming one with the animal, and the sins of himself and his entire family would symbolically enter the sinless substitute, and then the Family Priest would cut the animals throat. He would then place the blood on the altar. Then he would skin the animal and place the entire animal upon the altar, except the skin. The Skin belonged to the Family Priest, but the Lord required the remainder for a sacrifice, a “sweet savor”.


If we look closely we find mention of the “Burnt Offering” from the very beginning of the Bible, in Genesis 3 and Genesis 4. In Genesis 3 we see how God explained to Adam and Eve that the seed of the woman would come to redeem man back to himself. The seed of the woman who would be bruised by Satan on the heel, but in the process of being bruised would bruise Satan on his head. Snakes carry all of their venom in their heads. Bruising the head speaks of crushing one’s authority. When Christ resurrected from the dead, he took the keys from Satan--what keys? The keys to death and hell! [Rev 1:18 & Col. 2:14-15]

But what would Adam and Eve and fallen man do in the meantime, until “the Seed of the Woman” arrived? God had the answer for them- a burnt offering was to be sacrificed, as an offering for sin as well as method of worship. [Without the shedding of blood is no remission for sin]. God talked with them, and showed them how to build an altar and how to sacrifice an animal, a first born animal without spot or blemish. God gave them the skins of this slain animal to wear (HE "clothed them", i.e. "covered them"), to replace the covering that they had created themselves from the fig leaves. We see that Abel believed God, and believed his parents Adam & Eve, and offered his “first born” upon the Altar. Cain did not. We can see this same type of Burnt Offering offered by Noah, as well as Job. We can also see that Job was the family priest as he offered burnt offerings for his family continuously [Job 1:5] . We can also see at the original Passover the father held the position of “Family Priest”, as he is the one who slayed the lamb in the doorway, over the basin in the doorway [Exodus chapter 12].

Up until the sacrifices set forth in the Mosaic Covenant on Mount Sinai, the only offering was the Burnt Offering. After Mount Sinai God created 5 sacrifices in total, that still included the Burnt offering. God also created an official Priesthood, all from the tribe of Levi, with specific duties in regards to Sacrifice.

With the New Sacrifices created by God, the “Skin” was NOW given to the Priest in the "Burnt Offering", and no longer to the family Priest! Ever since the garden, ever since Adam, GOD had provided the skin for the family Priest and his family. Now, that skin was provided to the MOSAIC PRIESTHOOD, TO THE TRIBE OF LEVI. NOW, the "nature" of the sinless substitute, that Represented Jesus Christ, was given to the LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD, and not the family priest!

How could the family Priest have the skin, that had been provided since the Garden of Eden? God created a NEW sacrifice, the PEACE OFFERING, that not only gave the “skin” to the father of the household (the Family Priest), but also all of the flesh, except the Breast and the Shoulder-that were given to the MOSAIC PRIESTHOOD. Of note is the flesh—all of it had to be eaten by the end of the second day, before the 3rd day: Lev 19:5-7 “5. And if ye offer a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the Lord, ye shall offer it at your own will. 6. IT SHALL BE EATEN THE SAME DAY YE OFFER IT, AND ON THE MORROW: AND IF OUGHT REMAIN UNTIL THE THIRD DAY, IT SHALL BE BURNT IN THE FIRE. 7. AND IF IT BE EATEN AT ALL ON THE THIRD DAY, IT IS ABOMINABLE; IT SHALL NOT BE ACCEPTED.

Now, compare how similar the original PASSOVER SACRIFICE is to the PEACE OFFERING. In both sacrifices: 1) The Family Priest was given the flesh of the sacrifice to eat-to be eaten right away. Exodus 12:7-10 tells us:
“7. And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. 8. AND THEY SHALL EAT THE FLESH IN THAT NIGHT, ROAST WITH FIRE, AND UNLEAVENED BREAD; AND WITH BITTER HERBS THEY SHALL EAT IT. 9. EAT NOT OF IT RAW, NOR SODDEN AT ALL WITH WATER, BUT ROAST WITH FIRE; HIS HEAD WITH HIS LEGS, AND WITH THE PURTENANCE THEREOF. 10. AND YE SHALL LET NOTHING OF IT REMAIN UNTIL THE MORNING; AND THAT WHICH REMAINETH OF IT UNTIL THE MORNING YE SHALL BURN WITH FIRE.

The Peace offering and the ORIGINAL Passover are the only sacrifices that are SIMILAR in the fact that the flesh (meat) of the sacrifice was given to the Family Priest to eat in a rushed period of time.

Are they identical? No, but they are similar AND THE ONLY SACRIFICES THAT PROVIDE THE FLESH OF THE SINLESS SUBSTITUTE TO BE EATEN BY THE FAMILY PRIEST.
[John 6:51-57 " 51. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. 52. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53. Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

All of the sacrifices, and especially the Burnt Offering and the Peace Offering are a "picture" of the final sacrifice that Jesus Christ will provide to fallen man---Himself! Also, these two sacrifices, along with the meal offering, that was usually part of the burnt offering WERE VOLUNTARY OFFERINGS, not mandatory (the mandatory offerings were the Sin Offering and the Trespass Offering).

We come to Christ voluntarily. No one is forced to come to Christ. Christ only has children. Christ does not have grandchildren! We all come, voluntarily, on our own, or we don't come at all!


Today, we “put on” the sinless nature of our sinless substitute Jesus Christ when we believe in Him and accept Him as Lord and Savior. We are “in” Christ, just like those before the Cross were “in” the Messiah, the seed of the woman, until He came to the earth to pay the penalty for sin once and for all. We are “in” Christ by our belief in Him. They, before the Cross, from the beginning, were “in” Messiah, the Seed of the Woman, Jesus Christ by their belief in God and their belief in Him. Their sins were covered by a sinless substitute that they sacrificed upon the altar as a burnt offering. This Burnt Offering also provided worship for the believer with God. This burnt offering provided the skin of the sinless substitute to the Family Priest--a picture of what we do today when we "put on" Jesus Christ.
"PUT ON CHRIST"

Gal 3:27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have PUT ON Christ.

Eph 4:24 24. And that ye PUT ON the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Col 3:10-14 :”And have PUT ON the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. PUT ON therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness."

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The sacrifices in the Old Testament were pictures of the final, and once and for all sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross at Calvary


Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel."
Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
Rom 16:19-20 And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly.
Some Notes:
- This was the curse upon the serpent.
- This was the first clear prophecy of a coming redeemer.
- The use of "He" reveals that one person is meant.
- The word "seed" speaks of offspring or descendant.
- Women don't have "seed", Men have "seed"
- Only one descendant of Eve was born of a woman (Virgin) and not a
man- Jesus Christ. Christ's Father is the Holy Spirit-
Matthew 1:18 tells us "18. Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this
wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they
came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."
- The word "enmity" speaks of warfare.
- Satan’s seed is fallen man.
- Bruising the head speaks of crushing one’s authority.
- Christ’s heal was bruised when He was crucified. Crucifixion is the
only form of capital punishment that bruises the heel.
- Satan’s head was crushed when Jesus was crucified.

[b][color=993300]All of the Newer Versions (NIV, New American Standard, Living Bible, etc.) miss this FIRST prophecy, that the seed of the woman (an impossibility) will come at a future time and redeem fallen man from the sin imputed to him by Adam. God was revealing His Son, Jesus Christ to mankind, here in the Garden of Eden![/color][/b]

KJV Bible:
14. And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15. And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17. And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18. Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;"

[b][color=006600]God began with the promise in this text above, and this the elect lived upon, till the time of Abraham. To him (Abraham), God made further revelations of his eternal council concerning man's redemption. Afterwards, at sundry times, and in divers manners, God spoke to the fathers by the prophets, till at length the Lord Jesus himself was manifested in the flesh, and came and tabernacled amongst us (Hebrews 1:1-2 "1. God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2. Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;")[/color][/b]

Look and see what Job had to say about His redeemer (that is our redeemer as well). Job is considered to be one of the oldest Books in the Bible.:

Job 19:25-27
" 25. For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26. And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27. Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me."

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Ron Bailey

Steve, Hi

How did God deal with man before the tabernacle in the wilderness? What was the Temple built for? God was dealing directly with all mankind. Then He told them to build a dwelling place for Himself that He could deal with all mankind through Israel. All this was done with all outward workings before the Law and then in the Law. The Blood of Christ had not been shed yet. The blood of animals is certainly an outward placing of all mankind on works directed through Israel. Man must kill to be forgiven of sin, not just once but until the Cross. Then the Holy of Holies was placed in man, we are not the physical temple, and all sacrifice ceased with the blood of Christ. We are now the temple of the Holy Spirit, Why do you keep pleading the blood? It was shed once and need not be used anymore except as a completed work of God in Christ Jesus and in remembrance of that effect.

Our present pleading should be the Spirit of Christ that is living in these Tabernacles. The Blood of Jesus of Nazareth, the physical blood was outward sacrifice that God could only accept on the altar of this earth. That is why it took away the sin of the world. The resurrection and rebirthing process in these tabernacles of clay is our spiritual service and worship, by presenting these bodies for spiritual service.
Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

We are now dealing with One Spirit, 1Cr 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

By pleading the blood you are living in the sacrifice not the baptism of us all into the Body of Christ, which has no blood. Plead our birth. 1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Blood cannot inter the kingdom of God. The born again spirit and soul being born again by the Incorruptable Seed and Mind of Christ can. The Blood of Christ is past, the Spirit of Christ is now. The blood and body are only to be used to remember what was already done by Christ and in remembrance of Him, by the representation of the wine and bread.

Colossians 1:18-20 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Through the blood of His cross. By His blood shed on the cross. That blood, making atonement for sin, was the means of making reconciliation between God and man.

Atonement for Sin, "It is finished", not acknowledging Satan and using or as you put it pleading the blood to defeat Satan again in our own lack of knowledge. That is not what the blood was for, You should of all know that it was the Atonement for sin. Satan was completely put under the Heel of Christ and Satan's head is still there. Satan has access only to the children of Satan, unless God wants to use him in the believers life to defeat him under our feet also. Rom 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you. Amen.

The life of Christ in us is our pleading, not the blood of His death to purchase this Hope of Glory, which is Christ in you. Col 1:27

In Christ: Phillip

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Philologos posted:

"In fact 'peace offerings' were used as part of the preparation to the Sinai Covenant and were offered in Exodus before the Sinai Covenant was in force and before the priesthood had been inaugurated.

“[b][color=CC3300]And Moses wrote all the words of the Lord[/color][/b], and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel. And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the Lord.”
(Ex 24:4-5 KJVS)"




Stever responds to Philologos:

The very first time any other offerings other than the BURNT OFFERING is mentioned in God's Word is in Exodus, and it is a COMMAND by God to Moses, AFTER PRESENTING THE LAW IN EXODUS chapter 20, 21 & 22

How were the Commandments first presented to the people of Israel?

"And GOD SPAKE ALL THESE WORDS, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. ETC., ETC. ETC." Exodus Chapters 20, 21, 22, & 23

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Following God's giving the Law to the Israelites (through Moses), we find that the Israelites all declared to God that they would KEEP HIS LAW. Please see Exodus 24:1-3 which were omitted in your post, Philologos:

(Ex 24:4-5 KJVS)
1. And he said unto Moses, Come up unto the Lord, thou, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel; and worship ye afar off.
2. And Moses alone shall come near the Lord: but they shall not come nigh; neither shall the people go up with him.
3. AND MOSES CAME AND TOLD ALL THE WORDS OF THE LORD, AND ALL THE JUDGMENTS: AND ALL THE PEOPLE ANSWERED WITH ONE VOICE, AND SAID, ALL THE WORDS OF THE LORD WE WILL DO.


The bottom line, is that the Peace Offering is first mentioned here, in Exodus 24:1-5 [b][color=993300]AFTER[/color][/b]: 1) The Law was presented to the people and 2) accepted by the people.

God bless,

Stever

P.S.

There is mention of a Priesthood in Exodus Chapter 18:

“21. And the Lord said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the Lord to gaze, and many of them perish.
22. And let the [b]PRIESTS also, which come near to the Lord, sanctify themselves[/b], lest the Lord break forth upon them.
23. And Moses said unto the Lord, The people cannot come up to mount Sinai: for thou chargedst us, saying, Set bounds about the mount, and sanctify it.
24. And the Lord said unto him, Away, get thee down, and thou shalt come up, thou, and Aaron with thee: but let not [b]THE PRIESTS [/b]and the people break through to come up unto the Lord, lest he break forth upon them.
25. So Moses went down unto the people, and spake unto them.


God bless,

Stever :-D
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Stever responds to Worldview:

What is of interest to me is that, after the Law was established ,only by THE Peace Offering could a believer in Jehovah (Messiah) be allowed to eat the flesh of the sacrifice, and keep all of the skin of the SACRIFICE.

The Burnt Offering provides a picture of Jesus Christ’s final sacrifice. A picture of Him, and the total giving of Himself to God 100%.

When Jesus said this in John Chapter 6, what do you think he was referring to, Worldview? What exactly did he mean? The sacrifices were still taking place every day, at the Temple, when Christ said these words.

If you were there, in the audience, in 33 AD, what would you make of it? How would you apply what Christ said to your life as a believer in Messiah then? How do you apply it to yourself as a believer in Jesus Christ today?

[John 6:53-57]
“53. Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.”
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Gold bless,

Stever :-D

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All this is only to point to the Peace offering that Christ is become, once forever. "My Peace I give you, not the peace as the world gives". Old Testament peace offering is of the flesh and temporary, New Testament Peace Offering is of the Spirit, Christ In you forever.

In Christ

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Phillip

I have a Source of strength when I am weak.
That sees me through
when life is pressing me.
I have a Source of Power from above,
I'm covered by a Crimson Stream of Love.

I claim the Blood
Jesus shed on Calvary.
Those Precious Blood stains
Were shed there just for me.
For all my sin, my sickness, and my pain.
When I need Healing
I claim Those Precious Blood Stains.

I do not know
How others make it through
Who never go to Calvary as I do.
For there the Healing, Cleansing Stream still flows.
With Peace that only His Redeemed can know.

I'm proud to claim and plead His Precious Blood.

Had it not been for a place called Mount Calvary
Had it not been for the Old Rugged Cross.
Had it not been for a Man called Jesus.
Then Forever our souls would be lost..

When I stand in the presence of my Blessed Savior,
I will bow at His Nail-Scarred feet.
I will thank Him for dying, and buying my Pardon,
For a Sinner condemned, and unclean.

I know that my Savior is waiting
His Sweet Face will be the first that I see.
If someone asks me how I made it,
Quickly, I'll say it,
By the Blood of the Lamb, I made it through.

God Bless
Nellie

Beautiful words Nellie.

By the Blood of the Lamb, I made it through.

By the death of the Lamb, I made it through by His resurrected Life in me. The Blood of the Lamb is for remembrance of what He did and what He is still doing, as is the Bread of Life His Body, as by which we are His Body the Church. My Savior is no longer waiting, His is in me and with me forever and ever.

Our Communion is with Him and in Him and Him in us and each other because of Him. I will plead the Life of Christ in me for all of us and pray you do the same for me.

Christinyou2: Phillip

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