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Christinyou
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If "covered by His blood covenant" you mean sin taken away by the blood of Christ and never remembered again and put away by the Blood of Christ as far as the east is from the west, I agree.

Psalms 103:12-16 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him. For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust. As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth. For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.

Then in Christ our sin is taken away when we believe in the Name of Jesus Christ the Son of God. Jhn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

That we might be made perfect in Christ.

Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

2Cr 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is [one] of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.

Hbr 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.

In Christ: Phillip


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when we believe in the Name of Jesus Christ the Son of God.


Can you explain biblically what you mean by this phrase?


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 a Look at the Atonement

Take a look a https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11338&post_id=88502&order=0&viewmode=thread&pid=0&forum=34#88502

and read what P. P. WALDENSTROM says about the Blood.

 2006/7/7 17:47
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 Re: a Look at the Atonement

Long article, but true. Great article.


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"""Can you explain biblically what you mean by this phrase?"""

"when we believe in the Name of Jesus Christ the Son of God."

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

1Jo 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

2Cr 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Phl 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

1Ti 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

1Cr 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Believe in the Name of Jesus Christ and you will be saved.

Ephesians 1:12-13 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Finally: Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

This word "unto" them: there(-at, - by, -in, -into, -of, -on, -with),

The Word "shine" unto: to beam forth

The image of God, (that is; from 1503; a likeness, i.e. (literally) statue, profile, or (figuratively) representation, resemblance:--image), should shine, that is beam forth, unto them, there-at, -by, -in, -into, -of, -on, and there-with.

In Christ and all the above and His Name: Phillip


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"Can you explain biblically what you mean by this phrase?"

"when we believe in the Name of Jesus Christ the Son of God."


OK thanks for all the verses but what do you understand the phrase 'believing in the Name of Jesus Christ the Son of God' to mean.


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I believe in the Name of the Son of God Jesus Christ. I believe He born again in me. I believe He is now my Life. I believe He is doing all that He promised He would do if we believe. I believe He will come and get me with a shout and I will forever live with Him in me in my Fathers. I believe He has made me a son of God. All this a much, much more by believing in the Name of Jesus Christ the Son of God.

If you want more, you will have to clarify what it is you are after. Devils believe also but they are not believing unto salvation they are believing and not receiving Him, the sacrifice was for God's creation that they are trying to destroy. I am sure Saddam believes in President Bush. That does not make him a citizen of the U. S. I believe in the Name of Jesus Christ and He is birthed in me and that make me a citizen of the Kingdom of God, with all the rights and privileges thereof.

In Christ: Phillip


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Devils believe also but they are not believing unto salvation they are believing and not receiving Him


So how does someone distinguish between the two kinds of 'belief'. How does a person know if they have 'saving faith' as distinct from 'mental acknowledgment'?

I want to be sure we are taking about 'receiving Christ' and not the evangelical doctrine of 'receiving Christ'. If you want further explanation please see [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=14601]Receiving Christ[/url]


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I can not show you what Christ has done for me because you are not around me to see the works He works in me. I can only give you the Word of God as The Spirit of Christ in me has revealed it to me by the Holy Spirit of Truth. I could tell you daily what the Spirit of Christ in me has changed me and it would only be a witness of what I say. If you want to be a witness of my being Born Again you would have to be around me to see the difference. It is not by my works but by His works in me that I am a new creature in Christ Jesus.

What do you mean by Evangelicals belief in Christ. If it is not of the Word and they can't testify of the New life they have in Christ Jesus, I guess it would be a false birth and by not believing that their life is now Christ. They may believe in His Name and be saved but never understand the Life they now have and what that New Life is doing and how great a salvation they truly have by the Christ that is Born Again in them.

I will check out your Christ revelation post.


1Jo 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen [it], and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

1Jo 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

1Jo 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

3Jo 1:6 Which have borne witness of thy charity before the church: whom if thou bring forward on their journey after a godly sort, thou shalt do well:

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

In Christ: Phillip


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I read your article, and it so perfectly describes doer religion of the Church and shows the biggest reason for so many false conversion, who by the Church says, we saved them and they fell away. What a lie, they were not even given the truth in their own salvation if they were saved.

The Church is so stuck on doer religion that no-one has any idea what being born again means. They are told repent and be baptized, well this is something they do. Then they are told to come to Church, read their bible, get plugged into a home bible study, join the ministry of the church and use the gift they have been given and witness to anyone they see. Then God will be pleased with them and they are assured that they are saved. These are all things they do, and there is nothing wrong with them but they are never no never, told Who He is and what He has done.

Nobody is given the truth of salvation that is Christ in them the Hope of Glory. They are not asked, do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, only when they are baptized maybe, do you believe that He died on the Cross for your sins and they are no more, Do you believe that He was buried and in three days was resurrected unto life again, do you believe He appeared to all His disciples and many more, do you believe He returned in the clouds into heaven, do you believe that by believing these thing that Jesus Christ the Son of God has been birthed in you and the life you now live you live by the Faith of the Son of God who has come down from heaven to live in you. do you believe you are a new creature in Christ Jesus, Do You Believe You Are Now Seated In Christ Jesus with Him in Heavenly Places at the Right Hand of Your New Father. This is your salvation experience and this is the truth of your Born Again Experience. The Holy Spirit will reveal all these things to you and even things you don't understand, just ask.

If any one of these points is not understood they should be show from the Word of God where they come from, but how many so called evangelists know anything about these truths that precede and follow salvation?

Christ in You the Hope of Glory is not just a collection of word in scripture that say ok, now that you have been born again, God will set you on a course that you can clean up your life and make it to heaven. In You means that the convert has a complete new nature and a whole new life before him and The Holy Spirit will bring his mind into conformity with the Mind of Christ that is now in Him and he will know that he is a new creature in Christ, a new creature like no other on earth that has not the Spirit of Christ in him. A whole new race of people living their life in and by and through Jesus Christ guided by the Holy Spirit of Promise into all truth of the House of there Father they are being prepared for.

I could go on and on, but I must stop or I get to frustrated with the doer church realm we now live in. Sorry.

In Christ: Phillip


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