Stever responds to Philologos:

There seems to be some confusion here in regards to the sacrifices. The sacrifices in Leviticus all had specific names. If we look in the Bible, God starts with the most important first- the PEACE OFFERING. Then the MEAL OFFERING. Then the BURNT OFFERING. These three offerings were [u][b]VOLUNTARY. [/b][/u]

Then, the TRESPASS/GUILT OFFERING, and FINALLY the SIN OFFERING THAT WERE [u][b]MANDATORY. [/b][/u]

However, as far as man is concerned, [u][b]the offerings are REVERSED.[/b][/u] THE SIN & TRESPASS/GUILT OFFERINGS WERE MANDATORY, AND EVERYONE HAD TO PERFORM THEM.

The voluntary offerings were exactly that=VOLUNTARY.

In all of the offerings, the sinner would "Lay on Hands to become one with the animal, and then kills the Animal". In all of the sacrifices the sinner would pass HIS SINS, AND THOSE OF HIS FAMILY, onto the head of the animal AND SLIT IT'S THROAT, [u][b]REGARDLESS OF THE NAME OF THE SACRIFICE.[/b][/u]


In only one offering, the MEAL OFFERING, which was a voluntary offering, was this not possible. Ususally the MEAL OFFERING was part of the BURNT OFFERING.

However, IN REGARDS TO THE SIN OFFERING, (a Mandatory Sacrifice) if one was totally without resources, FINE FLOUR (MEAL) could be used instead of the required ANIMALS (in the SIN OFFERING). THOSE ANIMALS WERE: 1) Bull 2)Lamb 3)Goat 4) Dove or Pigeon.

However, if we understand God's requirement in the beginning, IN THE GARDEN, AND AFTER THAT, God REQUIRED ONLY ONE OFFERING--A BURNT OFFERING.

God bless,

Stever :-D

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Stever responds:

What I think is intersting, is that God found Abel to be "righteous" because of his sacrifice.

Later, we see that God found Noah to be "righteous" as well.

Both men performed burnt offerings to the Lord. Both men believed God, and therefore did what God required.

God bless,

Stever :-D

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Stever responds:

Exodus 20:22-24
22. And the Lord said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
23. Ye shall NOT make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.
24. An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy BURNT offerings, and thy PEACE offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.

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Exodus 24:
"4. And Moses wrote all the words of the Lord, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
5. And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered BURNT OFFERINGS, and SACRIFICIAL PEACE OFFERINGS of oxen unto the Lord.
6. And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.
7. And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.
8. And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words."

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The Burnt offering and the meal offering & the Peace Offering were required to consecrate the Priests:
Exodus 29:1-27
1. And this is the thing that thou shalt do unto them to hallow them, to minister unto me in the priest's office: take one young bullock, and two rams without blemish,
2. And unleavened bread, and cakes unleavened tempered with oil, and wafers unleavened anointed with oil: of wheaten flour shalt thou make them. 3. And thou shalt put them into one basket, and bring them in the basket, with the bullock and the two rams. 4. And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water. 5. And thou shalt take the garments, and put upon Aaron the coat, and the robe of the ephod, and the ephod, and the breastplate, and gird him with the curious girdle of the ephod: 6. And thou shalt put the mitre upon his head, and put the holy crown upon the mitre. 7. Then shalt thou take the anointing oil, and pour it upon his head, and anoint him. 8. And thou shalt bring his sons, and put coats upon them. 9. And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, and put the bonnets on them: and the priest's office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons.
10. And thou shalt cause a bullock to be brought before the tabernacle of the congregation: and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the bullock.
11. And thou shalt kill the bullock before the Lord, by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 12. And thou shalt take of the blood of the bullock, and put it upon the horns of the altar with thy finger, and pour all the blood beside the bottom of the altar. 13. And thou shalt take all the fat that covereth the inwards, and the caul that is above the liver, and the two kidneys, and the fat that is upon them, and burn them upon the altar. 14. But the flesh of the bullock, and his skin, and his dung, shalt thou burn with fire without the camp: it is a sin offering. 15. Thou shalt also take one ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram. 16. And thou shalt slay the ram, and thou shalt take his blood, and sprinkle it round about upon the altar. 17. And thou shalt cut the ram in pieces, and wash the inwards of him, and his legs, and put them unto his pieces, and unto his head. 18. And thou shalt burn the whole ram upon the altar: it is a burnt offering unto the Lord: it is a sweet savour, an offering made by fire unto the Lord. 19. And thou shalt take the other ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram. 20. Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.
21. And thou shalt take of the blood that is upon the altar, and of the anointing oil, and sprinkle it upon Aaron, and upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon the garments of his sons with him: and he shall be hallowed, and his garments, and his sons, and his sons' garments with him. 22. Also thou shalt take of the ram the fat and the rump, and the fat that covereth the inwards, and the caul above the liver, and the two kidneys, and the fat that is upon them, and the right shoulder; for it is a ram of consecration: 23. And one loaf of bread, and one cake of oiled bread, and one wafer out of the basket of the unleavened bread that is before the Lord:
24. And thou shalt put all in the hands of Aaron, and in the hands of his sons; and shalt wave them for a wave offering before the Lord.
25. And thou shalt receive them of their hands, and burn them upon the altar for a burnt offering, for a sweet savour before the Lord: it is an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
26. And thou shalt take the breast of the ram of Aaron's consecration, and wave it for a wave offering before the Lord: and it shall be thy part.
27. And thou shalt sanctify the breast of the wave offering, and the shoulder of the heave offering, which is waved, and which is heaved up, of the ram of the consecration, even of that which is for Aaron, and of that which is for his sons. 28. And it shall be Aaron's and his sons' by a statute for ever from the children of Israel: for it is an heave offering: and it shall be an heave offering from the children of Israel of the sacrifice of their [b][color=660000]PEACE OFFERINGS[/color][/b], even their heave offering unto the Lord. 29. And the holy garments of Aaron shall be his sons' after him, to be anointed therein, and to be consecrated in them. 30. And that son that is priest in his stead shall put them on seven days, when he cometh into the tabernacle of the congregation to minister in the holy place.
31. And thou shalt take the ram of the consecration, and seethe his flesh in the holy place. 32. And Aaron and his sons shall eat the flesh of the ram, and the bread that is in the basket by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

In Exodus, it is revealed that the most important offerings to God are the Burnt offering, the Meal Offering, and the Peace offering.

[b][color=0000FF]At Mt. Sinai, the other two offerings were established. The Burnt Offering had been taking place since the Garden of Eaden. The Peace Sacrifice is also the PASSOVER. How do we know that? Only in the Peace Sacrifice is the sinner provided the flesh of the animal to eat and all of the skin of the animal to keep![/color][/b]

God bless,

Stever :-D

P.S. Leviticus 19:5-8 tells us about the Peace offering:
"5. And if ye offer a sacrifice of PEACE OFFERINGS unto the Lord, ye shall offer it at your OWN WILL.
6. It SHALL BE EATEN THE SAME DAY YE OFFER IT, and on the morrow: and if ought remain until the third day, it shall be burnt in the fire.
7. And if it be eaten at all on the third day, it is abominable; it shall not be accepted.
8. Therefore every one that eateth it shall bear his iniquity, because he hath profaned the hallowed thing of the Lord: and that soul shall be cut off from among his people

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Robert Wurtz II

Your latest response seems to have no relevance to my most recent posting.

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Ron Bailey

Cain and Able had no priests had no law and had no altar on which the high priest would offer any sacrifice. There was no Holy of Holies, there was no ark of the covenant. There was only God dealing with his creation personally.

If God has told each of the children of Adam what he wanted in a sacrifice and Cain did not bring the offering that God had told them what to bring and Cain did not and Able did. I can understand your argument. Cain and Able brought from their heart and minds. I am not even sure they knew what they were bringing. Only that they wanted to bring a gift offering to God. God did make a choice and approved the perfect Lamb offering and in Himself it was because it pointed forward to what the law of service and priesthood would point toward, that is the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross for the whole world. Making those who would believe that the Perfect Sacrifice of the Perfect Lamb of God, being His Only Begotten Son given to bring those that would believe into the House of God as son's of God because each was given rebirth by the Son being born again in each believer, these are the son's of God.

Cain and Able did not have even the smallest thought of who this was, Adam an Eve had only one sentence that even remotely points to this Plan of God, Being Christ in you the Hope of Glory. Enmity, between his seed and your seed.
We understand now exactly what God was saying, because it has happened and the Holy Spirit has revealed Christ in us, If Cain and Able knew this, it had to go no farther. All they would have to do is all wait for the Messiah to come and it would be over, knowing when death physically came and they believed in Him going to die on the Cross for them, all would be fine. Who would kill Him? I am sure they knew that God the Father would kill His own Son to save them from their sin. If Israel did not know it when Jesus was on this earth, how could Cain and Able have known it aprox. 5 to 6000 years before it happened. Why are we trying to commingle law and Grace when The Given Law to Moses was not even known. Where are the different way God has dealt with man to bring him to where we are now. Believing the Jesus Christ is the Son of God and by Grace through Faith we are saved, and this Grace and Faith are not of ourselves, but of God. It took approx. 6000 years for God to get from first Adam to the second Adam. How can we make the truth at the end of the dispensation of time that God provided at the Cross to say they knew it then and happened before it was even known.

We are just arguing for argument sake, not knowing that even God took time to reveal Christ in Paul, the final Gospel of Christ in you the Hope of Glory. Christ was not born again in Cain or Able.

They were saved completely different than after the Cross. The proof, works offerings in all they did. Our proof believe, and God will save you by His Son. Grace by Faith, the only way.

In Christ: Phillip

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The way that the bible has been designed by God with the different figures, patterns, and shadows of things to come have been a blessing to me so many times when I could finally see them. After salvation and attending church for quite a while, one day while singing Just As I Am, I realized who the Lamb is.

Much understanding comes through time and growth and continues though our lives here. Not to many years ago the burnt offerings came to my attention. When the temple Solomon built was dedicated the Lord sent a fire to consume that offering. On Mt. Carmel, Elijah met the priests of Baal and the offering he made was consumed by the fire of God. As was mentioned the offering was cut up and consumed in the fire.

In Liviticus you sometimes see the types of Christ in the offerings, however, much of the types that I see are the types of Christ in the believer. The sin in our lives needs cut up by the Word of God and we need to live lives that are consumed by a fire that comes from God. We need to be a burnt offering to God and given over to his will and not our own will.


Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


Covered by his blood covenant,
GaryE

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