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| | Re: | | Where does it say that the blood of Jesus Christ defeated Satan? The Blood of Jesus Christ Justified God the Father to take away our sins, just like the blood of animals covered sin and the goat took them into the wilderness where nobody ever saw them again. The Blood of Christ did this once and took away sin forever never to be offered again on the altar.
It is the Word of God that defeats Satan, Jesus proved it in the wilderness. If Jesus is the Word of God and it is the Word the kills Satan's grasp upon the believer, why do we need to use the blood pleading? It is absurd, It is Christ in us that defeats Satan, not the blood. The Blood took away our sin forever, once never to be used again, how do we know, because all it takes to be saved is to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and you will be saved, and God will do the rest because He is the only One that can provide the curriculum to do so, By the Spirit of Christ in you and taking the old man spirit of Satan and defeating him completely. Seek the things above not the blood that is still on the ground at the base of the Cross. Christ is our victory.
Mat 12:20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
1Cr 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Cr 15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?
1Cr 15:57 But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.
Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
No blood here. Christ has gotten our victory over the beast, that is Satan, over even his image, over his 666, stand fast in the sea of glass where with Christ has set you free.
Galatians 5:1-7 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
The same goes for the Blood of Christ which signifies His death, we are dead to the Law and dead to sin because of the Blood not in the blood our using it as our ambassadorship to God in Jesus Christ. I have never seen anyone use the blood of a dead president to make him have the whole power of the United States Behind Him, it takes a live President to do that. We don't serve a dead Jesus and we cannot use His blood for anything, except to remember Him, but we can use a Risen Savior that is birthed in us and by His Name all of the kingdom of Satan trembles, he is already defeated. Christ won the victory for us and in us.
In Christ: Phillip
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|  2006/7/1 19:13 | Profile | Logic
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| | Re: | | Lets get back on the subject, Pleading the blood.
Do we plead the very thing that God provided for Himself and already sees?
What does the bloof of Christ do?
It satisfies God. |
| | 2006/7/1 23:17 | Profile | Christinyou
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| | Re: | | Hi Linn,
Read this site and give me your opinion, Please.
Your seed of the woman and the seed of the man is explained very carefully. Then it shows that the ovum or seed of the woman is the eternal part of Mary that made Jesus' life eternal and that the seed of Adam is the carrier of the sin life unto death that God the Father bypassed by the Holy Spirit conception of Mary. Thus Jesus Christ was all Eternal God and sinless man, together being the only sacrifice God the Father could accept for eternal life imparted to believers. So no immaculate conception of Mary but conception of the immaculate ovum which never lost its eternal life ability as the seed of Adam did and death passed unto all men through the first Adam and unto life by the second Adam, born of eternal seed of the woman and the Seed of God by the Holy Spirit.
Truthfully I set out to prove you wrong, and the Holy Spirit, in my masculine superiority proved your feminine equality superior. Thanks for the lesson.
http://custance.org/old/incarnation/4ch1.html
In Christ: Phillip
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| | 2006/7/2 2:32 | Profile |
| | Re: Pleading the blood? | | Quote:
Truthfully I set out to prove you wrong, and the Holy Spirit, in my masculine superiority proved your feminine equality superior. Thanks for the lesson.
Hi Phillip,
I'm laughing! Thanks you for your honesty!
Actually, it's surprising how many myths have survived the twentieth century, in the received wisdom which seems to be passed down to men, on the finer details of reproduction.
Often it is very subtle, and having said that, often it is very blatant, also. Despite Stever's gentle dig at science in a post yesterday, the fact is, [i]real[/i] 'science' can be simply defined as the exploration and description of God's creation. What we learn from [u]it tells about the nature and thinking [b]of God[/b][/u], and this is the instruction we desperately need - to straighten out our own thinking.
I haven't read the website yet, but I will return to this and post a further response to your question. Already, if you have understood the point philologos was making in his last post on the previous screen page, I see a problem, but I [i]will[/i] read the site you've linked, and respond later... |
| | 2006/7/2 6:58 | |
| | Re: Pleading the blood? | | Two short comments on things Joyce Meyers said....
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I am setting forth my case that Jesus has shed His blood and died for me; [b]therefore Satan has no right[/b] to rule me, accuse me, condemn me or do anything else to me [b]or to anything that belongs to me[/b].
We are naive if we think we can out-manoeuvre God in what happens to us, by using any form of words in a ritualistic way.
God Himself will decide what permissions He gives to Satan.
Job 1:12
And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath [is] in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand.
Our part is to remain faithful to Jesus Christ, to believe in Him, to trust His grace and word which will come to us in the hour (literally) of our need of them, to stand steadfast in the truth wherewith we have been made free from all bondage to sin.
We know from church history, and
1 Peter 1
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, [b]and hope [u]to the end[/u] for the [u]grace[/u] that is to be brought unto you[/b] at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, [b]not[/b] fashioning yourselves [b]according to the former lusts in your ignorance[/b]:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
and
Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast [some] of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: [b]be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life[/b].
.. that being faithful may require our physical lives to be lost. This is not a reflection on our standing before God, which one might deduce from the reasoning put forward by Joyce Meyers.
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When you try to pray, the devil may attempt to accuse you, reminding you of past sins and mistakes.... Or when the devil brings up some sin, if it is one that I have not yet repented of, it just reminds me to do so...
This strikes me as the heart of the matter. It is by faith that we receive forgiveness, but, we do [u]know[/u] we are forgiven, because Jesus died [i][b]FOR[/b][/i] us. This is what we must understand.
'..the devil brings up some sin, if it is one that I have not yet repented of, it just reminds me to do so ..'
Do we really need this kind of help from the enemy?
Don't we know when we have distanced ourselves from God by stepping out of obedience to the Spirit?
Don't we notice we are not having fellowship with Him any more?
Of course, we do go on living, until we find ourselves compelled to give full attention to returning with all our heart into His light and presence, but, this is part of our living [i]relationship[/i] with Him.
Returning is not based merely on a form of words which we trust. This would be just as legalistic a 'work', as believing one's salvation depends on any other repetitious activity - whether penance, prayers, Bible study, missions or service to the community.
I was slightly concerned to see 'repentance' almost fall into this 'works' category, by the way it was mentioned in passing, like another form of words rather than an attitude of heart which leads to permanent changes, as we receive forgiveness for the sin, healing from its effects, and liberty from its burden. |
| | 2006/7/2 8:48 | |
| | Re: Pleading the blood? | | Phillip, you asked:
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Where does it say that the blood of Jesus Christ defeated Satan?
I think these verses from Hebrews 2 and 12 give support to what you're trying to say in your first post on this page, but, they do not even mention blood. They mention the death of Jesus and the destruction of the devil.
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, [u]for the suffering of death[/u] crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom [are] all things and by whom [are] all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified [are] all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,...
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, [b]that through death He might [u]destroy him[/u] who had the power of death, that is, the devil[/b],
15 [b][u]and release[/u] those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage[/b].
Hebrews 12
But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn [who are] registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than [that of] Abel.
25 See that you do not refuse Him who speaks. For if they did not escape who refused Him who spoke on earth, much more [shall we not escape] if we turn away from Him who [speaks] from heaven,
One thing to notice in verse 23, is the phrase 'just men' (made perfect, (or made complete)). There is no uncertainty about our standing with God, according to whoever wrote Hebrews.
Verse 24 - we come 'to Jesus' and 'to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel'.
[Genesis 4:10 '.. the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.'
Hebrews 10
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, [b]through the veil, that is to say, his flesh[/b];
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, [b]having our hearts [u]sprinkled from an evil conscience[/u], and our bodies washed with pure water[/b].
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for [b]he is faithful that [u]promised[/u][/b];)]
Verse 25 - 'See that you do not refuse [b]Him[/b] who speaks' |
| | 2006/7/2 9:23 | |
| | Re: Pleading the blood? | |
Stever,
I've been thinking about the prayers you think were answered because you 'pleaded the blood' of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I remember reading a book about how to pray for certain types of emotional difficulty in which the author had some experience. There was one in particular which I recognised, and I realised that what God had done in answer to her prayer was [u]far beyond[/u] what she had prayed for.
This gave her a distorted impression of the connection between her prayer and God's response.
I wonder if this is what has happened to you....? You are convinced, you think, that mentioning the blood in a certain way, has been the key to gaining God's attention and blessing.
May it be that God has honoured [i]your faith towards Him[/i], simply?
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| | 2006/7/2 9:36 | | Christinyou
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| | Re: | | Quote:
Eve could not possibly have received her 'sinnerhood' by inheritance.
Eve ate of the fruit also, She died, but she did not pass death on the all mankind, Adam did. It was through her seed that Jesus Christ would bruise the head of the devil, not Adams, But Gods Seed would bring forth very God and an all sinless body by non sinless seed, Jesus Christ.
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| | 2006/7/2 12:42 | Profile | dohzman
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| | Re: | | Hey Bro.--- I feel a check by your statements above but need to read your web reference first before I respond any further.
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| | Re: Pleading the blood? | | Hi Phillip,
I've read the introduction and first chapter of the online book, and I don't have any dispute with what is presented as scientific fact, because it does explain why Eve herself died, and how the death of every offspring is directly a result of Adam's death.
In so saying, I would like to reserve time to think more, when I've read more (or the rest) of Custance's thesis.
What he has not touched on so far, is how this death, which is a [u]physical fact[/u], is also related to the entrance of sin to the human nature - which is a spiritual fact. I am interested to see if he deals with this, because, as we overcome [i]sin[/i], through Christ, we do not overcome [i]physical[/i] mortality, but, we do regain spiritual [i]immortality[/i] in the resurrected body.
I have a comment about Eve not being as deeply damaged by eating the fruit as Adam. It is now known that the X chromosome is connected to the production of antibody to challenge infecting organisms. Now, I'm not suggesting sin was an 'infecting organism', but, that the female has two X chromosomes is one of the reasons she survives physcially, when some males die.
Every year, more male children are born than female, but more males die. This is not to suggest that more males are conceived - because this is not known - but, once they are born, female children do better.
I can see that the sin of disobedience in itself - that Eve and Adam fell for the serpent's invitation to try this method of becoming like gods - is pretty much identical to his own action in the heavenlies, when he set himself up as an object of worship, and succeeded in drawing a sizable proportion of angels after him. I also know that if we sin willingly, we seem to lock ourselves into a mindset which is impossible to undo without God's help. Interesting that Custance's point on immortality, is that their bodies would have been capable of living forever. He does not tackle the issue of Adam's sin (or Eve's).
Phillip, it was an interesting read. I shall go back for more. Thank you for bringing it to our attention. |
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