Stever wrote:

Stever responds to Dorcas:

To correct my error (heard from a sermon of many years ago), God actually provided [b][color=CC0000]HIS OWN BLOOD, that indwelt Christ[/color][/b]. Since He is God, He can do anything- He is the true "Miracle Worker". He is outside of time and space and is responsible for the daily miracles we all see- the healing of the sick, the restoration of vision to the blind, and probably the most important of all is the redeeming of fallen man to Himself.

The teaching is found in Acts 20:28 where it tells us specifically that God has purchased the Church with HIS OWN BLOOD (not part Mary's blood and part His blood, but by ALL HIS OWN BLOOD):

"28. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, [b][color=CC0000]which he hath purchased with HIS OWN BLOOD[/color][/b]."


God bless,


Stever :-D

[b][color=CC3300]Adrian Rodgers from his sermon--"Power In The Blood":[/color][/b]

"What I am trying to say, it is the father that determines the blood and the blood that flows through the veins of the Lord Jesus Christ was blood that was contributed by God, Almighty. And you see, that blood that was in Jesus was divine blood, it was sacred blood, it was the blood of God; the blood of God you say, wait a minute pastor, God is a spirit and God doesn't have blood. He did when JESUS was here on this earth and if you will read in Acts the 20TH chapter Paul is talking to those Ephesian elders, I think about verse 28 and he says you take care that you feed the church of God which he has purchased with his blood, [i][b]with his blood . The church was purchased with the blood of God. It's sacred blood and because it is sacred blood, it is saving blood! You see, had that blood not been sacred blood it could have saved no one because Jesus Christ had to be innocent in order to die for our sin!"[/b][/i]


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by dorcas on 2006/6/30 17:10:05


Hi Stever,

You said this (in slightly different words)

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The father always supplies the blood type of the child. Christ's father was the Holy Ghost, and Jesus Christ carried the blood of God in His veins.
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in FOC's 'Literalism without Context' thread, and I responded, (fyi).

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=10731&forum=36&start=30&viewmode=flat&order=0

Perhaps you could reply there, not to divert this topic too far? Thanks.

Logic posted:

2: How does pleading the blood help in situations?

3: How is Pleading the blood (that which cleanses us from sin) taking hold of authority?

4:Why would you need to take hold of what we already have?

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Stever responds:

His blood gives power over the devil. It’s the blood that Satan fears. Revelation 12:11 says, “And they overcame him [Satan] by the blood of the Lamb …” The devil doesn’t want you to learn about the blood. He hates it!


God bless,

Stever :-D

P.S. Do you believe that the devil is alive and well on planet earth today?

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Stever's response to Philologos:

The Bible screams at us, from one end to the other, that man is hopeslessly fallen and in need of a Savior.

All of mankind has the DNA of Adam in our veins, and we all require The Savior. Adam sinned, and brought mankind down with him. Christ was born sinless, and became the sinless substitute for man, and provides redemption for those that believe in Him.

Today we (all humans) are on a journey, going in ONE OF TWO DIRECTIONS. 1) Those that believe in Jesus Christ and the work that He did at Calvary-that believe in His shed blood, death and resurrection--are on their way to heaven and eternal life. 2) Those that do not believe in Jesus Christ, but in their own works, are on their way to hell and eternal judgment.

There are no other choices, there are no other directions to be traveled by man.

We each have a choice and the only reason we are born and have life is to have the opportunity to make THIS CHOICE.

I am in agreement with Joshua in this matter--
" 15. And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: BUT AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE, WE WILL SERVE THE LORD.

Philologos, you are sadly mistaken.

God bless,

Stever :-D
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Stever responds to Philologos:

Scripture tells me that each Israelite home had a BASON. If they didn't the instructions would have addressed this issue in specific detail because their lives depended upon it:

Exodus
22. And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the BASON, and strike the lintel and the two side posts with the blood that is in the BASON; and none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning.
23. For the Lord will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the Lord will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.
24. And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.
25. And it shall come to pass, when ye be come to the land which the Lord will give you, according as he hath promised, that ye shall keep this service.
26. And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?
27. That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the Lord's passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped.

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Philologos, you are the one guilty of conjecture when you put your own understanding into the Bible, specifically:

"So you really mean this illustrates the cross rather than it being a picture of the cross. The shape is all wrong for it to be a picture. So this whole idea is built upon the speculation that Israelite homes were ordered like ordinary Egyptian homes. So this idea is speculation based on speculation... that Israelites had such a bason... that the blood of the passover lamb was poured into it... etc. Sheer speculation"

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God commanded all of the Israelites to put the shed blood into the BASON. There is no wiggle room here. Their lives depended upon it.

The works of Trumbull and others have found historical evidence that such basins existed in the homes of people living in the countries of Egypt, Philistia, and other countries in the Middle East at that time, and also in Israel later.

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Philologos, are you aware that the encampment of the Israelites was that of the shape of the Cross of Jesus Christ?

Numbers 2
Encampment in the Wilderness
The Hebrews, and later the Israelites, had a slightly different way of looking at things.
If you or I were told to camp on the east side of something, we would probably mentally draw a line from north to south, and figure that anywhere on the east side of that line would be camping on the east.

Not so the Hebrews. Told to camp on the east side of the tabernacle and its surrounding Levites, They mentally drew two lines from east to west, the width of the tabernacle plus the Levites. Anything east of the tabernacle between those two lines would be east. North of the north line would be the north-east, or south of the south line would be southeast, and thus not where God commanded.

So when the three combined tribes under Judah camped to the east of the tabernacle, they spread out in a narrow band directly east of the tabernacle, and the three who camped to the west did the same, and the north, and south.

If one looks at the numbers in each camp, figures the approximate space required for each family or tent, etc. one can with some accuracy determine the general layout of the entire encampment.

As it turns out, when drawn out on paper, the whole encampment ends up in the shape of a cross, bottom to the east.

Here are the numbers of people in each of the 4 camps (the numbers are for the males only, and do not include women and children).

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.................157,600
E 186,400....Levites...108,100 W
.................151,450
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When Balaam went up on the mount to try and curse the Israelites, this is what he saw--a Cross. Their encampment was a picture of the Savior to come, the Seed of the Woman, who would have his heel bruised! Crucifixion is the only form of captial punishment that incurs teriffic bruising of the heel. On the cross, the victim is suffocating to death. In order to breath, he has to push with his heel into the cross, in order to push his body upward, to continue to breath.

God bless,

Stever :-D

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Philologos posted:

"If you think that SIN in is the DNA I can understand why you think the DNA characteristics of Christ's blood might cure the problem. Christ, of course, received his DNA from Mary. "

Stever's response:

God's Word tells me us that Christ carried God's blood in His veins, not Mary's. Christ redeems fallen man with His own Blood, that had nothing to do with Mary:

Acts 20:27-28
" 27. For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
28. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, [b][color=990000]which he hath purchased with his own blood[/color][/b]."

God bless,

Stever :-D

Brother Stever did you take the time to read Ex12:4??? You might want to do that :-)

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