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irunbarefoot
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| | Re: | | I imagine that it is different for everyone. Only your heavenly Dad knows exactly how to bring you to the end of yourself. Don't you think?
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| | Re: | | Not necessarilly and nor should it have to be that way. But then I am still not persuaded you understand what dying to self means.
What books have you been reading?
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I imagine that it is different for everyone. Only your heavenly Dad knows exactly how to bring you to the end of yourself. Don't you think?
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IRONMAN
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| | a man dead to self | | brethren
i feel led of God to bring up the example of a man dead to self and conscious only of God. John the Baptist. being dead to self is having no regard for anything else save for the things of God. it is the laying down of everything we are in exchange for God redifining us in the image of His son. our very emotions, ambitions, desires and concerns must be laid down so we may be raised up in Christ's image or replaced with the equivelent from the throne of God.
the best example though of one who died do self was Christ Himself. He did nothing more or less than what the Father required. if we are Christians and we are like Christ, it follows then that we ought to do no more nor less than what the Father requires. Christ said He didn't come to do His own will but that of the Father. even when in gethsemene whilst in agony over what was before Him, He said if it be your will let this cup pass from me. that's dying to self...
in all the things we ought to be as Christians, it seems to me Christ fulfilled them, hence we are called to follow Him.
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irunbarefoot
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the best example though of one who died do self was Christ Himself. He did nothing more or less than what the Father required.
I totally agree.
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| | Re: | | Quote:
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the best example though of one who died do self was Christ Himself. He did nothing more or less than what the Father required.
I totally agree.
-Sean
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WRONG! And now this is becoming serious.
He had nothing in Him that needed death.
John 14:30 (NASB-U)
"I will not speak much more with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me;
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| | Re: a man dead to self | | Quote:
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brethren
i feel led of God to bring up the example of a man dead to self and conscious only of God. John the Baptist. being dead to self is having no regard for anything else save for the things of God. it is the laying down of everything we are in exchange for God redifining us in the image of His son. our very emotions, ambitions, desires and concerns must be laid down so we may be raised up in Christ's image or replaced with the equivelent from the throne of God.
How do you know they are laid down except by the test; a wilderness experience in ones life?
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the best example though of one who died do self was Christ Himself.
Never. His "self" was always in complete obedience to the Father's will, as ours should be. He was tested to reveal His allegiance to His Father as an example for us to follow.
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He did nothing more or less than what the Father required. if we are Christians and we are like Christ, it follows then that we ought to do no more nor less than what the Father requires.
Yes
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Christ said He didn't come to do His own will but that of the Father. even when in gethsemene whilst in agony over what was before Him, He said if it be your will let this cup pass from me. that's dying to self...
No. He never agonised over whether or not to obey. There was never an argument with His self nature about WHAT HE CAME TO DO --- PURPOSED OF THE FATHER.
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in all the things we ought to be as Christians, it seems to me Christ fulfilled them, hence we are called to follow Him.
Pardon? In all things we should be as Christ.
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irunbarefoot
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| | Re: | | I don't mean this in a harsh way, but it seems that your (Ormly) have a particular interest in debating things for pleasure. I respect that.
I just don't think it edifies anyone.
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mamaluk
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| | Re: | | Sean,
yeah, saddened..not edified at all.
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| 2006/6/23 20:02 | Profile |
| | Re: | | Pleasure?? With the things of God, I'm as serious as a heart attack. I look for accuracy as to what the message of the Bible speaks and what it requires that understanding comes about in the reader..
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IRONMAN
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How do you know they are laid down except by the test; a wilderness experience in ones life?
life is indeed the test and the crucible wherein this death to self is forged. you would know whether you've died to self or not based on how you react to a given situation. if in situation A you always did B and continue to do so, there is dying to do. if you do C (assumuing C is what God would have us do)then death of self has occurred regarding that situation/thing.
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Never. His "self" was always in complete obedience to the Father's will, as ours should be. He was tested to reveal His allegiance to His Father as an example for us to follow.
from matthew 26
[b]And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. [/b]
it seems to me from this instance Christ had an option and His own will but deferred to the Father's will. this is repeated throughout the gospels. also He says often that He came not to do His own will but His Father's will.
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No. He never agonised over whether or not to obey. There was never an argument with His self nature about WHAT HE CAME TO DO --- PURPOSED OF THE FATHER.
from matthew 26
[b]He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. [/b]
it seems to me He did agonize over what was before Him because it was not going to be pleasant. He asked the Father if the cup could be taken away, but then He said not my will buy thine will be done. i'm not sure what else we can call that save for dying to self/giving up of self for the Father.
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Pardon? In all things we should be as Christ.
Follow can be used to describe doing something like someone would, in this case Christ so i'm unsure how/why you would think i meant it in any other way in this instance.could you clarify?
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