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 Can you see Him in the fire?

Can You See Him In The Fire?

I have a very good Christian friend, who is physically handicapped. He has seen all of his prior dreams destroyed. He has seen his ability to make a decent living disappear. His hopes and aspirations of a wife and a family, vanish. He struggles with fears and insecurities, like we all do, but I cannot pretend that I understand or that I can relate, for I cannot. He goes to bed every night alone, he lives alone, and in his darkest moments, like tonight, the enemy convinces him that our Lord has abandoned him and that he is forsaken.

I spent many hours this night convincing him of the promises of God. I was hard with my friend this night, he was hard with me. My conversation with him was about as honest as it gets. Platitudes and theory will not get us very far, for Jesus Christ our Lord is at the very center of reality. It is no accident that the enemy tries to convince us that Our God has abandoned us, that we are alone in the situation, that all is lost, and that there is no purpose in our sufferings.

For if hope is lost, then next comes the darkness. This is so much a part of human experience. Did not even our Lord Jesus, cry out in the very darkest hour, from the very core of His humanity "My God, My God, why has thou forsaken me ?"

Ultimately, we will not find peace in our circumstances. I cannot answer my friends questions, I do not know why God allowed him to be handicapped. I do not know why he suffers and others don't seem to suffer as much. I do not know if he will be healed. I do not have the answers.

This is what I do know, and this is what we have to hang on to, the promises of God. It is vital that we understand that God, regardless of our faith, if we are in Christ, is going to put food on our table, a roof over our head and clothes on our back. You can take that to the bank, no matter what level of faith you operate in. These are promises, they are cast in stone, and they cannot be broken. These are unconditional promises, meaning they require nothing from you, other than being in Christ.

So what is faith all about? Why do we exercise faith? Faith is the antidote to fear. Did not the Lord say that he has not given us a spirit of fear? If we are to walk in power, we must walk in love, in the love of the Lord Jesus, only then will we have a sound mind. This peace that passes all understanding, is only released by exercising our faith. When we walk in fear, then this is an obstacle that has come between us and Jesus, so we are no longer walking in the power of His love, and remember, this is the power of the universe, Satan will absolutely make it his priority, to disrupt this power flow.

Brothers and sisters, the future does not belong to us, it belongs to Jesus. Have you taken control of your future?By that I mean, have you looked ahead, into the future and determined what the outcome is by using your worldly wisdom? This is the breeding ground of fear. Only in this world can Satan rob you of your peace. Then you compound the problem by creating self fulfilling prophecies about yourself, now your shaping and creating yourself and your future, isn't that the Lords job? And the worse thing is that now we go fishing into our past failures and we use that as a criteria, as a measuring stick for how we will perform in the future. In all of this the present is lost. Jesus and the present are one and the same.

The only reality is Him, and what He has done for us. If you want to go fishing in the past, go fishing for what He has done for you, what He has brought you through. If you want to project the future, think about eternity, where you are going, what you have been created for.

Well, guys, this was pretty much my conversation tonight, it all sounds pretty good, right?
Just before my conversation ended, the Holy Spirit gave me this. I saw my friend in the fire, and I told Him, very quietly, (I wont use his name) "my friend, look, Jesus is with you in the fire." "Look, He is their in the midst of the flames and I know you will not burn." "When you come out of this fire, your testimony and your peace will touch many lives."

Listen guys, maybe your in the fire today. I have no answers as to why or how long, but this I know,...............look............Jesus is in the fire with you. This fire is not for your destruction, even although the enemy would like you to think otherwise. Take your eyes of the circumstances, take your eyes of the flames, allow the doubts and fears to melt away in the flames. Let the flames, that were meant for your destruction by the enemy, burn up the fears and the doubts as you turn towards Jesus. Look full into the face of Christ the King, reach out to Him, do not hold back, take His outstretched hand and He will lead you through the fires of hell itself if that is what it takes. For He promised that even if we make our bed in hell, even there we cannot be separated from His presence. His is a love that will peruse us to the ends of the earth and beyond. There are no circumstances to large, to overwhelming for Jesus. Listen to what Proverbs 29:25 says....................

"The fear of a man bringeth a snare, but whosoever puts his trust in the Lord shall be safe."
I prefer the Hebrew translation for "safe," which is "set on high." No matter how low we are, when we look to Jesus, even when we have made our bed in hell, He will lift us out of the bottomless pit of despair and set us on high, higher than the eagles, higher than the heavens, we will find ourselves in the throne room of heaven itself, surrounded by the Glory of the almighty God our Father and the radiant light of all reality, Jesus our Lord.

Look into His face this day brothers and sisters............the demons will flee!!!!

 2006/3/12 0:20

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 Re: Can you see Him in the fire?

bro Appolus
whoa...bless the Lord for burdening you with this today! every time we are wronged or grieved we tend to want to hog all the pain and forget that Christ suffers with us. When a loved one passes we forget that God knows that pain from when Chrst died on the cross. like the Lord had you say, when we feel abandoned we forget that even Christ called out to God "my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" so Christ knows what being abandoned feels like. when we are hurt by someone we forget also that God is hurt to, when one sins against us and we are bitter and angry we forget that this also grieves God. We also forget of our own transgressions (and very quickly i might add) which also cause God much grief...

a couple of wks ago a dear cousin of mine passed away and i was led to call his sisters, fiancee and mom. the word of the Lord was this " all things work together for the good of those that love the Lord and are called according to His purpose." i struggled with that bro, trying to reconcile this with the tragic thing which happened and i was rattled. The Lord didn't tell me how this fit into His plan for us but His word remained the same "ALL things work together for the good of those that love the Lord and are called according to His purpose."

that's the bottom line and if we knew how it all worked there would be no need for faith, that's what the Lord showed me.

bro that was indeed a timely word for me i thank the Lord for it and for you. God bless and keep you.AMEN.

Farai Bamu

 2006/3/12 0:38Profile

Joined: 2005/2/24
Posts: 2732


Amen brothers,

Thank you much Appolus for sharing your heart in this way. Thanks as well to your response Ironman. I sometimes wonder if the most tangible "experience" of faith is when we "see" Jesus...that is we know He is with us. (We know faith is the substance of things unseen, but praise God we understand one another here...)

As I was reading I noticed that your friend is not completely alone. The Lord has sent you into his life Appolus. Your tender heart and strong intercessory wrestling for the faith of your dear friend reminded me of this...

"And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha."

Bro, reflecting on your testimony tonight has stirred up a few other scriptures within me. I held these words close during a long grievous season in my life...perhaps this picture of confidence in Christ takes on new dimensions when thinking of our physically handicapped brethren.

"O bless our God,...Which holdeth our soul in life, and suffereth not our feet to be moved. For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou hast tried us, as silver is tried. Thou broughtest us into the net; thou laidst affliction upon our loins. Thou hast caused men to ride over our heads; we went through fire and through water: but thou broughtest us out into a wealthy place.

May the Lord, stengthen those who are hurting, and waiting for him through burdens and afflictions, and may He bring them through their fire into this "wealthy" place...

"That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:"



Mike Compton

 2006/3/12 1:46Profile

Joined: 2006/1/26
Posts: 189
mountains of Pa.

 Re: Can you see Him in the fire?

Hello,If I were you,and not understanding what it would be like to be your friend,Be more than just a friend.I think you need to show your friend Christ love for him thur you! It's hard not being able to do thing's own your own. You have to depend on other around you,and that tuff,who do you trust around you? be there for Him help him with things around the house or help him with comforts,be his legs, or arms for him....I have a friend who is handicapped who had a night mare and shared the dream, The fear of starving no body around to feed him or give him drink,So be there for him as much as you can.... I'm sure you are his Arm and Legs,and he will see The Love of Christ for Him threw YOU!

 2006/3/12 9:22Profile


Frank "thank you" for sharing this.

It is a great help to us all to have an edifier and builder-upper on Board.

All the gifts are working simultaneously here and I see things happening here at SI because all the differing parts of The Body are being allowed to express themselves and be used to help each other. No gift higher than others ... and all of that !
We've 'not' narrowed it down to just certain gifts being allowed to operate here anymore and I see that happening here in a delightfull "Church" type of way .... Praise God.

God Bless SI and those who use their gifts correctly or are open to let this experience from God to help 'all' to fine-tune us & how we are to be used, properly.

God Bless you Frank. A very timely message for all of us, I'm sure.

 2006/3/12 14:51


amen to all the responses...........Frank

 2006/3/13 20:14

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