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paula4jc
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 Why people dispute balck and white truth?

If these days so many among us are quick to dispute the truth, then can you imagine what it will be like when God sends that strong dilusion on the world so that they believe the lie.

For those among us who love to follow signs and wonders, watch out!

2Thes.1:9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.


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Paula

 2006/3/5 12:10Profile
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 Re: Why people dispute balck and white truth?

I think disputing the truth in a health way,could lead to learning what, why, who, you ,are!,many of men have died for what they believe in,weather it be in err or truth.

 2006/3/5 13:03Profile
Compton
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 Re: Basketball and Fruit

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For those among us who love to follow signs and wonders, watch out!



When I played highschool basketball, one of the most important concepts in playing defense, was always watch the center mass of the man with ball and never get suckered by the clever movements of his dribbling.

Likewise today, we must see past the dazzling gifts of the spirit and find the quiet fruit of the spirit in one another.

MC


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Mike Compton

 2006/3/5 13:34Profile
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 Re: Why people dispute balck and white truth?

God calls us to obey! We learn by listing then go and compare to the scripture. Dispute sows confusion which is of the devil. I never learn any truth of scripture by disputing, maybe from rebuked and admonished. I flea all dispute and arguing discussion because it robs me of peace.


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Paula

 2006/3/5 13:37Profile
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I flea all dispute and arguing discussion because it robs me of peace.



Having good antenna is invaluable. When our peace is gone, then we need to ask why. The problem may be within us, or without us, and it is good to know the difference.
Diane


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Diane

 2006/3/5 15:39Profile









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Apostle Paul coveted Peace as much as the heart of God does.

But did Paul receive his peace from all of the Churches he tended to ?

Far from it. They would sometimes force him to become very unsettled.

I'm afraid we may be coveting a 'peace' more than Truth and that is what the Bible says will happen.
They will cry Peace, Peace and the MOST {in Greek} will "fall away" {Greek - from Truth}.

We forget how Paul [b]strove[/b] for the sake of the truth and against the heretics trying to come into the Church. He was willing to give his very life for the protection of the Body and sound doctrine for them.

If we put Peace above Truth ... we could never have traveled with Paul for very long.
He got most of his stripes and jail time, etc. etc. for standing up to religious people.

We would have had to leave his presence, because of the total lack of peace when he had to deal with the things trying to rob his Churches of the true foundation that he had laid.

He said he knew, that as soon as he left, that ravenous wolves would come, not sparing the flock and that in places he fought the hardest, pleading and crying tears, for up to three years with some, for what he knew would immediately hit the Church in the area of NON-Truths.

Defending truth is not a "peaceful" ministry, but I thank my God in Heaven for those like Paul, Luther, and so on, who didn't base their entire walk on some sort of peace.

God's Peace does not leave us ... even if we're thrown in Prison for defending Truth .... which we are all called to do, despite how it usually always inevitably will lead to disruptions.

Paul said 1Co 11:18, 19 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

There are some brethren who are Apologists on this forum ... and they know what it is like to defend truth and the cost paid by those who have done what they are called to do. They've had to count the cost.

Bottomline ... The Truth is what has caused the many persecutions and imprisonments and martyrdom of our Brethren since Christ rose.

We will more than likely face the same one day and will have to choose between our own personal peace or the truth.
Actually, we make this decision each and every day and are being held accountable for each decision in this regard.


Shalom-Shalom.

 2006/3/5 17:49
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Paula,

I understand your distate for controversy. I do not like it either. However, as long as we live, we must always realize that if we belong to God, want to be obedient to Him, we will by its very nature be controversial because we are the battlefield upon which the forces of evil are fighting to regain control what beongs to God.

Having said that, it does help a lot if you refuse to get emotionally involved in discussions. We females are more emotional, think emotionally which does not help us at all. You can retrain yourself, with God's help, to back off emotionally, when you see a disagreement coming down the pike. Then ask yourself: is this issue one worth fighting for? If the answer is 'yes', you must know what the Bible says and stand on it but do not get emotional! Opinions are always debatable, but absolutes are not.

Hope helps...it also helps to have lived a long time!! ;-)

ginnyrose


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Sandra Miller

 2006/3/5 19:21Profile
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 Re: black and white

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When our peace is gone, then we need to ask why. The problem may be within us, or without us, and it is good to know the difference.


I didn't do any explaining, so here I "flesh out" my thought.

Peace is a God-given gift that comes from being at rest with him, totally trusting him, regardless of what's going on around us. When our peace is robbed, it is not always others that rob us of it. It may be we ourselves. Our insecurites can trigger fear - like when we sense controversy. And so we "run away" or try to squelch any more dialogue.

Some people are threatened. But I do not belive that women have more trouble with that. Men get very threatened too - maybe even more, though they may have different ways of revealing it, or (hiding it)

As far as the original question: Why do people dispute black and white truth. I hate to say it, but people have very different views of what's black and white. They draw the dividing line in different places.

Diane


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Diane

 2006/3/5 20:11Profile
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 Re: Why people dispute balck and white truth?

Hi paula4jc...!

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If these days so many among us are quick to dispute the truth, then can you imagine what it will be like when God sends that strong dilusion on the world so that they believe the lie.

I totally agree that there are individuals that dispute "undisputable" truths. Many of these individuals are willing to belittle the way of the cross in order for it to fit their own particular lifestyle choices. Obviously, many of these are not "true" believers. Instead, they are [i]believers of convenience[/i]. They will search the Word of God for a singlar passage in an attempt to argue as a support for their particular lifestyle or religious tradition.

However, there seems to be another problem with the concept of "truth." There are many different beliefs within the Church today. In fact, it is difficult to find two believers that agree on every subject. In fact, if you were to attend a Church with very well defined beliefs -- you will still find disagreements about certain matters amongst individuals in the congregation.

There are matters that we can all accept as so clear that they can become our accepted doctrine. Regardless of our denominational (or nondenominational) backgrouds, as believers, there are some truths that we can and should all believe in. Among these are things such as the diety of Christ, the Trinity, the need for salvation by faith, baptism, sanctification, the reality of eternity (both Heaven and Hell), etc... The problem arises when someone believes that some less defined beliefs are truth -- and all others are deceived. There are even arguments about such beliefs in this forum, which is filled with believers hungry for the all-consuming fire of God.

There are just some things are worth discussing -- but not worth parting company over. Believers can argue over what type of music is acceptable to God, whether all believers baptised in the Holy Spirit will speak in tongues, or whether the Rapture will be pre-trib or post-trib. But such discussions are in vain if one side of an argument views the other side only as "misguided" or "misinformed."

The important thing is that we continue to study the Word of God, allowing the Word to mold our beliefs -- even if our traditions and beliefs might be predeposed to think otherwise. As Paul stated, "[i]Prove all things; hold fast that which is good[/i]" (I Thessalonians 5:21).

:-)


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Christopher

 2006/3/5 21:48Profile









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Chris and all,
Don't we "pick our own battles" [u]sometimes[/u] though.

I've noticed on this, that those who say stop splitting hairs on "this" topic, go over to another thread and start splitting hairs on something even more trivial.

Aren't we judging by saying "my battle is good but yours is wrong" ?

I've seen every single one who's posted on this thread debate or defend a topic. I've cheered them on ... so aren't we being a bit myoptic here in saying we can't handle "any" of it, when we ourselves are involved in it either here or off the board somewhere's.

Don't know how it doesn't hit us one time or another or somewhere's or another.

I get off of threads after usually countering something twice, unless it's something life threatening.

Eschatology for one is a doctrine that is a Doctrine of the Church, so I wouldn't put that into the minors though.
That is His Second Coming, and more is written on that than any other doctrine of the Church.

Other than that ... I think we all know that we have our pet things that we defend ... and that's why for the most part, we should choose our threads to post on very carefully.
And realize that we've all defended or countered something somewhere on this forum or out there somewhere. And not because we've wanted to either.



 2006/3/5 22:12





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