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My bark was more directed at what I've heard being pushed about by our more modern day speakers, that are saying all sorts of things about the mark, like, it's just a "spiritual thing", instead of being an actual mark as the Greek implies of more of a scratch or graven mark.



Annie, I refer you to my post about the mark. Scroll down 3 or 4 posts.

Krispy

 2006/3/7 8:15
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i really think the mark of the beast is in your forhead,to say in your mind.!!



Greenquality, You may be on to something here. We humans tend to be very concrete-minded.
Take for example Eph. 6 where it talks about our REAL enemy - NOT flesh and blood (matter) but a spiritual enemy. Now, if you look around, you don't see this applied very often, do you? The enemy tends to be viewed in terms of flesh-and-blood - the person becomes our enemy or threat, not the spirital force behind what we see or experience.

Also, take the example from Rom. 2:28 "A man is a Jew if he is one inwardly." . again a reminder that from the spiritual realm things look VERY DIFFERENT.

We tend to interpret with our natural senses, and don't see with spiriual eyes.
The prophets in the Bible could see through spiritual eyes, and their messages were given to them by God. We have a tendency to squeeze their words back into our concrete frame of thinking. We play God with our interpretations.

Not only that, we also tendency to squeeze EVERYGHTING prophetic into our small frame of mind and experience.

A lot of prophesies for the future are still unrevealed (by God). God has not explained them fully, and we have no business trying to do so. That causes a lot of trouble, and closes off our minds to other un-though-of possibilities.

Greenquality, keep sharing your thoughts.
Diane


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 2006/3/7 8:20Profile
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Matt,

I have wished for something like this in a lllooonnggggggg time. If I do see something like it, it usually is promoting a particlar view like pre-millennium, post-millennium. I would like something that stays true to the text. If I would be an artist I would have done it myself.

I look forward to seeing this, Matt. And if you can post it somewhere, be sure to let us know where it is...because I WANT to see it...you may have to PM me to direct me to it..I am a very busy lady who does not have a lot of time to spend on the computer...

I will be looking for it.... :-)

ginnyrose


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 2006/3/7 8:35Profile









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Diane... the mark is a literal mark. Thats why it can also be in the hand.

Rev 13:16-17 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their [b]right hand[/b], [b][u]or[/u][/b] in their foreheads: And that [b]no man might [u]buy or sell[/u][/b], save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

How much more plain and obvious can the Word of God be?? This was the error of the gnostics. They spiritualized everything until even Jesus was not believed to be flesh and blood, but a phantom.

Krispy

 2006/3/7 8:37









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Krispy,

I'm sorry too, but I enjoyed NC and will try to catch up with you in the future.

On the mark, the reason I asked Annie that is I looked up the Greek, and the word is 'engraved'. Now, is this different from a word which means etched?

The reason I ask should be obvious, and that is, that we REALLY ARE living letters. The MARK on our hearts is 'real' - but it is spiritual.

 2006/3/7 8:42
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Revelation talks about two different marks placed on the foreheads: one placed there at God's direction as stated in Rev. 9:4 and the other made by man (Rev. 13:16-17) - who took the mark of the beast. So it would appear all will have a mark.

EDIT: The purpose of each is totally different. The one man by man is so he could buy and sell. The other made by God was to preserve him in the midst of God's judgement poured out on the earth.

Now I am not personaly interested in getting into an eschatological discussion
of pres, a-s, post Millenniumism.;-)



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 2006/3/7 8:55Profile
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A very young gifted man, with autism . who is called the Brainman very gifted in split second mathematics,who crossed the bridge into are social world and describes what he see in his mind. he see's numbers as moving landscape,shapes, color,texture,and sounds.he goes on to tell what he see's the (# 2 )is motion has purposeful movement.the( # 5)is the sound of thunder. then he say's somthing which struck a chord to me, he describes the( # 6) as being shapeless, empty,a voild,a darkness , a black hole if you will.the only number that has no mark........I know from the past the marking on the arm and head was used during ww2 , in the death camps, for the Jews ,Gypsy, Serbs.It makes you think !!! but I think it will be a mark of a system of thought,an emptyness,a voild.lack of understanding. but this is me just talking,but I'am profound and prefixed how God and his truly gifted people ,who society thinks as Handicap,or having phsical,or mental disadvantages.stumble the minds of greatest scientist,and who can think faster than any computer,or store imformation and recall it, like Kim peek,who the movie was made after the rain man.He knows the Bible!!better than any E-sword program. and in his disadvantages,he say's "we should treat other's we meet with kindness"

 2006/3/7 9:07Profile









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The reason I ask should be obvious, and that is, that we REALLY ARE living letters. The MARK on our hearts is 'real' - but it is spiritual.



I think someone could get the impression that I dont think that the mark of the beast is spiritual, which is not what I believe. It is spiritual. But it is also physical.

It is spiritual in that it is the ultimate deception played on man by Satan. Mankind will be deceived by the anti-Christ even tho he has been warned about him for 2,000 years... or however long it is should the Lord tarry.

And it's a cut off point for mankind. If one takes the mark there is no hope of salvation during that time.

Krispy

 2006/3/7 10:17









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[u]Please[/u] read this ...

I've seen the "buying and selling" technology and it's already being used. It's the technology of the chip.

I will add that there are many "and"s and "or"s in connection with The Beast.

And to the others, please notice these verses and see that it is not just the chip; but is clear that it {the mark} must be physical.

Rev 13:17 [i]And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, [u]or[/u] the name of the beast, [u]or[/u] the number of his name.[/i]

Rev 13:18 [u]Here is wisdom. Let him that hath 'understanding'[3563] 'count'[5585][/u] the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

That word to "count" means an intelligent "compute". That is implying that there must be use of one's Brain to "figure" and one can only "figure" if they know what to look [u]for[/u] {"hath understanding"}.

Please notice all of the "and"s and "or"s and "neither"s ...

Rev 13:17 [i]And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, [u]or[/u] the name of the beast, [u]or[/u] the number of his name.[/i]

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, [i]If any man worship the beast and his image, [u]and[/u] receive his mark in his forehead, [u]or[/u] in his hand[/i] ....

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, [i]who worship the beast [u]and[/u] his image, [u]and[/u] whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.[/i]

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: [i]and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, [u]and[/u] over his image, [u]and[/u] over his mark, [u]and[/u] over the number of his name[/i], stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and [i]there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, [u]and[/u] upon them which worshiped his image.[/i]

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived [i]them that had received the mark of the beast, [u]and[/u] them that worshiped his image.[/i] These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, [i]and which had [u]not[/u] worshiped the beast, [u]neither[/u] his image, [u]neither[/u] had received his mark [u]upon[/u] their foreheads, or [u]in[/u] their hands;[/i] and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

It's also important in these above verses to see that there may be those who do not necessarily take a chip but are just as guilty of "worshipping the beast or/and his image".
Some having "prior knowledge" of a chip, and I know many who are not Regenerated but are saying presently that they will not take any such chip, yet because they are not 'regenerated' will still marvel at this beast and it's system or power.

Or one can take the mark, thinking "I don't worship this beast, but I have to be able to buy food and all."

Making three ways to be damned.

 2006/3/7 10:20









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but I think it will be a mark of a system of thought,an emptyness,a voild.lack of understanding



There may be some validity to this from a spiritual stand point, but it is not how the Word of God describes it. And thats the bottom line... God's Word.

Krispy

 2006/3/7 10:20





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