Interesting topics. I think this is an important issue that needs to be brought up and discussed both more and less.More in some cases, because some people have no knowledge or understanding of the subject matter or the importance of it, and as such are underprepared.Less in some cases, because there are many "Chicken Little" churches/groups/internet sites/prohets, who all they do is predict doom, without bringing people that much closer to God.While I read through some of the information on the website shown by MeAgain, and some of it was well thought-out and sound, but some is shaky, and there is a lot of warning without a real sense of God's presence or grace, which I felt compelled to make a post about. If you want, you can find it here...http://www.theverichip.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=84Maybe I was too harsh on them, but that was simply what I felt led to say. There is a form of godliness there, but not a wholeness, which distresses me. I was somewhat blunt, but it is my prayer that my words bring more health to the community, even if it brings a little hurt.Maybe I overstepped my bounds. Only God knows that. But personally, I wouldn't have too much to do with that forum as is, just because of the state it is in.No offense to anyone from that forum that reads this or it meant, of course.
_________________Matthew Peterson
I felt compelled to make a post about. If you want, you can find it here...Maybe I was too harsh on them, but that was simply what I felt led to say. There is a form of godliness there, but not a wholeness, which distresses me.
_________________Diane
I'm probably asking for a good cuffing here, but I really think there is too much speculation among our prophets. The very voices that are telling us to be separate from the world seem to feel authorized to mix scripture with daily headlines that range from unsubstantiated short-wave broadcasts to amateur blog-sites. In addition to being spiritual leaders many prophets today also appear as qualified experts on economics, technology and military movements...... and I believe it's weakening [b]the better mission of a prophet which is to direct eyes upward, the visibility of Jesus and the Father...[/b]... stick to the spiritual realities behind the movements of earthly kingdoms...
but they do not add to these missions speculations about things they really can't be sure of
I wonder why there is such a fixation on things in the future when we don't even have things in the present right with God. Perhaps it is because we DON'T WANT to look at what's going on in our hearts right now.
_________________Mike Balog
As I said, I too was very surprised to find an actual forum dedicated solely (basically) to the chip ... but by the same token, it is 'still' a free country.I haven't looked at the Forum yet, but I may later.I know how I feel about the chip, and do believe it will be part of the "buying and selling" mode that we'll be put in the position of choosing or not choosing.But I did not post that as a way for those here, who don't like eschatology, to find a way to mock their way out of it.Yes, even I was surprised and all, about finding that Forum, but I imagine those are young people, doing the best they can with what they have. If they believe it will eventually be the mark, then I can understand their wanting to keep watch of it's progress ... but for the adults on here, to use this as one more reason to throw out Eschatology, as has been the inclination, that too is just as foolish, if not more so, then what those kids are doing over there.I believe you give a "Topic" as much attention as the Bible itself has ... Period.And if that's the case .... then eschatology and 'this' forum are the ones coming up lacking, not a bunch of kids doing their best to stay apprised of what may very well be the clincher to eternal life and death, in whatever near future.Sorry guys, but when you give eschatology less focus than the N.T. does, then that is just as self-righteous, pious or half-sighted as you've accused others of being. :-(
Sorry guys, but when you give eschatology less focus than the N.T. does, then that is just as self-righteous, pious or half-sighted as you've accused others of being.
_________________Mike Compton
Hia Compton, I agree with you on these folks who "predict when" the economy will fall, etc..Those type things are tiring for me. Agreed and I wasn't pointing my post at you.But I think we need to cut others some slack, and I want to give you a better answer than this, but my speghetti water is boiling and I've gotta go get dinner on the table."I'll be back !":-D Love ya man,Annie
bro mike
I'm probably asking for a good cuffing here, but I really think there is too much speculation among our prophets. The very voices that are telling us to be separate from the world seem to feel authorized to mix scripture with daily headlines that range from unsubstantiated short-wave broadcasts to amateur blog-sites. In addition to being spiritual leaders many prophets today also appear as qualified experts on economics, technology and military movements.
..and I believe it's weakening the better mission of a prophet which is to direct eyes upward, the visibility of Jesus and the Father...not secret insight into geo-politics of other nations or into our storage freezers.
During the Revolutionary War it is recorded that members of the church thought King George was the anti-Christ. And we all know that people thought Hitler was the end. But hindsight is 20/20 and our current prophets know better.
We know they may very well be a nuclear war or financial crash in future human history. I was learning about these things from unregenerate professors in college. See the movie Koyannistatsi or read the book "Entropy:the greenhouse Effect."...are these men also prophets?
Forgive my bluntness but I think the prophet does not speculate about such things. The examples of Jeremiah, Amos and others not withstanding, the prophet may indeed warn the people about the holiness of God and agains t the injustice of a society, but they do not add to these missions speculations about things they really can't be sure of. Instead stick to the spiritual realities behind the movements of earthly kingdoms...don't try to speculate about Iran and such. In all likehood you will be wrong, or mostly wrong and your testimony as a prophet for Christ will be tainted.
_________________Farai Bamu
sis diane
I wonder why there is such a fixation on things in the future when we don't even have things in the present right with God. Perhaps it is because we DON'T WANT to look at what's going on in our hearts right now. Like that bottle of whiskey - a shot of "end-times" speculation gives us a sense of escape and adventure.
So, to be sure...I am not being mocking or disrespectful. I am asking people who speak for the Lord to say only what they are absolutely sure of from the Lord and His word. It is my concern that they might be exceeding this simple boundary.