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Joined: 2003/7/18
Posts: 6566
Reading, UK

 death by appointment


I could probably be convinced either way on this subject. The most powerful argument against would be the possible salvation of the individual while incarcarated.

I have often wondered if capital punishiment was not part of God's special kindness to the condemned man. For most men death comes by surprise but for these, with this most heinous of sins upon their soul, God brings death by appointment.

Psalms 90:12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.

If the 'numbering of our days' can be used to teach our hearts 'wisdom', then it would be a special mercy to impose 'day numbering' upon the murderer.

The earlier reference to 'dispensations and covenants' is not to be ignored. The death penalty for murder (not manslaughter, as we designate things over here) was part of the covenant that God made not with Abraham or Israel, not even the whole race but with the whole earth.
“And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.” (Gen. 9:12-16, KJVS)

That covenant introduced the 'death penalty'. (Cain was not subject to a death penalty) That Noahin Covenant has the words
“And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.” (Gen. 9:5-6, KJVS)

Would the continuing appearance of the 'covenant sign' ie the rainbow not suggest that that covenant is still being honoured by God? If so, what of man's obligation under this covenant?

Ron Bailey

 2005/12/20 2:20Profile

Joined: 2003/7/28
Posts: 404
Watford, UK

 Re: death by appointment

What happens if someone is murdered and someone gets framed for the crime by two "witnesses", the man is then killed for a crime he didn't commit.

Is the executioner then guilty of murder?

What about the two witnesses? Are they guilty of murder as well?

Should they all be killed for this?

Mark Nash

 2005/12/20 6:05Profile

Joined: 2005/12/16
Posts: 122


The executioner is just doing his job. The other question depends on the context of which law you are talking about, God's Law or Man's.
Under God's law I would think false witnesses AND murder.
Man's law is so different you would almost have to narrow the circumstances down to when, where and when. In the USA, it could end up all over the map, from a death sentence to a book deal and a movie. Capital Punishment is a question that touches our need for revenge, justice, closure, and a need for safety. If someone is so evil and murderous, people sleep better knowing they are dead and buried. The other side of course is the injustices. Just last week here in California, a man was executed because it was politically expedient. I did not know the circumstances, I did not want to know, but the news story was intense because he had transformed himself in prison and the real question was, what was he really?
In my heart I think, they killed him for all of the wrong reasons. Was he still a threat? No not really (my opinion of course). The real question was society better off with him dead or alive.
We will never know because killing him was the safest thing to do politically. Nobody wants to take on the law enforcement lobby and risk the anger of all of those police officers. At least here in California.

David Michael Paul

 2005/12/20 8:07Profile

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