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Discussion Forum : Revivals And Church History : Revival Fires being spread...Biblical?

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 Revival Fires being spread...Biblical?

It seems that one of the things that differs from modern revivals from those of old is when modern revival (from 1900 or so on) comes, people feel like they must visit that place and receive power to come back to their home and spread revival there.

While I haven't studied revival very long, I have yet to come across any such thought or approach in the revivals of old (Wesley, Finney, Spurgeon, Moody, Whitfield, Edwards, etc.)

Don't get me wrong - I do think people used by God to bring revival gain a reputation, and sometimes they are the only ones who've waited upon the Lord and preached with annointing and boldness, and God uses them, but where is it said by Ravenhill or others that some special POWER is given to go back home and spread the fire of revival there?

My point is - the 20th and 21st Century has seen more worship of the power of God than God Himself in all His holiness, and too many modern "revivals" have prostituted the term so that people flock in the churches more for an experience with spiritual fireworks more than a genuine experience of God.

Those circus acts in Brownsville and Toronto have especially perverted the term "revival", and you have to be so careful using the term or else someone start associating with those heretics.

-Chris


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 Re: Revival Fires being spread...Biblical?

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It seems that one of the things that differs from modern revivals from those of old is when modern revival (from 1900 or so on) comes, people feel like they must visit that place and receive power to come back to their home and spread revival there.


I fully don't agree with that. Leonard Ravenhill tells of the salvation army officer going to see Evan Roberts and then going back to William Booth. And other cases where the Azuza Street revival and wales revival spread mostly because of corespondence and also testimonies of people changed. Evan Roberts in this case actually wrote some letters to the brothers at Azuza street which set fires there.

Also most of the traveling evangelists such as wesley and whitefield were they went revival went! Spurgeon told his congregation to start praying and preparing because revival was going to hit soon in england (he was referring to the awakening in america).

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special POWER


Yes! now this is more where I agree with your stance, there is no special annointing and power that can be [b]transfered[/b] and thus transfer and bring revival with you.

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perverted the term "revival"


Sadly this is the truth of the day in which we live the word revival has so been prostituted that some people tell me is it any worth in hanging onto the word? Some ministers are saying "God is wanting to do a new thing" just to get away from the word revival. But I am still believing that God is going to send a genuine revival and do away with the spurious and false that has been propogating and spreading.


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SI Moderator - Greg Gordon

 2005/12/9 14:11Profile
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I agree the term "revival" has been perverted. The primary difference I see between the revivals of old and now is that there is no conviction of sin and we've used a whole hosts of things in lieu of this. Without the conviction of sin brought by the person of the Holy Spirit, there is no true repentance. So if there's no conviction of sin, then I don't believe the Holy Spirit is there according to the Gospel of John.

The focus is primarily on a feeling or an experience with God and these can be easily fabricated by the enemy. But if there's real repentance, then there's a marked change and people begin to come because it's tangible.

I pray for real revival and that the name of Jesus be lifted up for His names sake.


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Ed Pugh

 2005/12/9 14:47Profile
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Maybe we should come up with a legitimate definition of the word REVIVAL so that we can clarify and communicate to others what it is we are seeking.

The point is not to try and "box-in" this amazing work of God, but simply to rub our heads together and come up with an articulate, consise definition. Sometimes I end up talking way too long when trying to clarify what I mean by the word "revival." What do you guys, many of whom have studied and sought revival much longer than I have, think?


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Christopher Wright

 2005/12/9 15:40Profile
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Hi Chris,

I haven't walked in it, nor have most of us at least in Western countries during our lives. I've read many books on the revivals of old and here's a simple definition that seems adequate to me from Wikipedia [b]"A revival or awakening is a movement of the Holy Spirit bringing about a revival of new testament Christianity in the church of Christ and in its related community."[/b]


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Ed Pugh

 2005/12/9 16:03Profile
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I found Ravenhill's definition of Revival"


WHAT IS REVIVAL?
Revival is the act of the Spirit upon believers
who have lost their first love.
Revival is the restoration of true doctrine.
Revival is the rekindling of the power of
prayer in individuals and in groups.
Revival is seeing that God must be vindicated
either by His mercy in pardoning - or by judgment!
Revival is the ascendancy of the spiritual over
the material.
Revival is the Spirit's passion within the
believer to know and to obey the total will of God.
Revival is the willingness to forsake all, that
God might be all in all to the individual and
to the Church.
Revival is the "no-time-limit" operation of God
on the saints,
resulting in a moving of God
among the sinners.
Revival is the redeemed sobbing with broken
hearts over a nation of broken lives from
breaking the commandments of God.
Revival is not a luxury, but a necessity for our
nation;
not an alternative, but an imperative.


found here: http://www.ravenhill.org/heartb20.htm


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