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crsschk
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 Re:Produce

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I believe Benny Hinn, etc..etc. (WoF and Prosperity Preachers) are preaching the gospel. It's the same seed. There is just different ways to present it. And to promote Genuine Christians that's not the way, but PEOPLE DO GET saved in their meetings.

80% of you might say 'how' ha! That's the same way you got saved. When benny gives the presentation of the gospel, he doesn't say 'Accept Jesus you get a big car' he stats numerous other things 'eternal life the greatest gift'. Benny and the rest of the WoF people are preaching the SAME Jesus, the Same Resurrection and the Same way to enter heaven.



2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

[b]Gal 1:7 - Which is not another,....[/b] It is no Gospel, no joyful sound, no good news, and glad tidings; the doctrine which attributes justification to the works of the law, or mixes grace and works in the business of salvation, which was the doctrine of these false teachers, is no Gospel; not truly so, however it may be called; nor does it bring any solid peace and joy to distressed minds. There is but one pure Gospel of the grace of God, and Christ, and his apostles; there is not one and another; there is but one faith, one doctrine and scheme of faith; the Gospel is single and uniform, all of a piece, has no yea and nay, or contradiction in it; this trumpet gives no uncertain sound, nor any dreadful, but a joyful one:

[b]but there be some that trouble you;[/b] meaning the false apostles, whose names he does not think fit to mention, as being unworthy to be named, and to have their names transmitted to posterity. These troubled the churches with their doctrines and principles, by raising disputes and controversies among them, injecting doubts and scruples into their minds, which puzzled and confounded them, and made them uneasy, and which broke in upon that peace of soul which the Gospel brings and establishes; for no true solid peace is attained to, and enjoyed, but by the doctrine of justification by the righteousness of Christ, pardon by his blood, and atonement by his sacrifice, which the doctrine of justification by works, &c. tends to destroy.

[b]And would pervert the Gospel of Christ;[/b] which has Christ for its author, subject, and preacher; and particularly the doctrine of justification by his righteousness, which they sought to change, to throw into a different shape and form, to adulterate by mixing it with the works of the law, and so, if possible, destroy it: to this they showed a good will, but were not able to effect, for the Gospel is an everlasting one; it is immovable, and so is that particular doctrine of it; it remains, and will remain in spite of opposition to it. Thus the apostle prudently lays the blame of the Galatians removing from the Gospel to another upon the false teachers, hoping he should be able to reclaim them by solid arguments, and gentle methods.

John Gill

"Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort. If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, [b]supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.[/b] But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
1Ti 6:1-10

[b]1Ti 6:5 - Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds,....[/b] Who being corrupt in their principles, and corrupters of the word of God, dispute in a very froward and perverse way, rubbing and galling one another, and so provoke, to wrath and anger, and, every evil work:

[b]and destitute of the truth of Christ,[/b] who is the truth, knowing nothing of him spiritually and savingly; and of the Gospel, the word of truth; and also of the truth of grace, being carnal, sensual, and having not the Spirit of God.

[b]Supposing that gain is godliness;[/b] such were Simon Magus and his followers, and other false teachers, who made merchandise of men, looked everyone for his gain from his quarter, and acted as if there was nothing in religion but worldly profit and gain; these served themselves, their own bellies, and selfish interests, and not the Lord Jesus Christ. Wherefore the apostle gives the following advice to Timothy, and through him to all ministers and churches,

[b]from such withdraw thyself:[/b] do not come near them; have nothing to do with them; do not lay hands on them, or admit them into the ministry; do not suffer them to preach, or encourage them by hearing them: if in the church, cast them out; have communion with them, neither in a civil nor in a religious way; avoid all conversation with them. The Vulgate Latin and Ethiopic versions omit this clause; it is wanting in the Alexandrian copy, and in Beza's Claromontane Exemplar, but is in other copies.

John Gill

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Mike Balog

 2005/12/15 7:53Profile
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bro Onfire
i feel you about what you've been led to say concerning the storing up of wealth on earth. this doesn't build the kingdom of God of at all but what it does build is the empires of men and what the Lord told me is that He is going to DESTROY all such empires in short order. The Lord doesn't require that we build Him a house of worship, we are not Jews who were asked to build a temple for Him. The early church had no need for buildings as they worshipped wherever they were.They met in eachother's homes, on street corners, at the temple (which was already built) and wherever the Holy Spirit of God led them to come together. i heard it said that $100 million was spent on the renovation of the compaq centre for lakewood church, perhaps it was less i'm unsure but the Lord doesn't need that, the Lord needs us to champion the cause of the lowly and oppressed in acordance to His word not spend all that money on a building to honor a man who when He was on earth was born in a stable and had no place to lay His own head. my spirit is grieving at this foolishness but rejoicing that the Lord is coming to sweep it all away with His hand of correction so we His church can be conformed to His image.

Lord Correct us by any means necessary.AMEN


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Farai Bamu

 2005/12/15 13:10Profile
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bro Yeshua
about the women who contributed to the support of the 12, yes women did contribute and helped in some way but i don't think that's where most of the money came from. i'm not sure what difference it makes but it is clear that the 12 had help from women.however in John 19 vs 29 it is clear that judas was the one in charge of the money:

[b]28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him. 29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor. 30[/b]


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Farai Bamu

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have read much of the correspondence on this topic. I have an email ministry that was given to me by inspiration of God and I've addressed many of these issues in the past. Jude 3 says this:

Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

We see here, that "earnestly contending for the faith" is a commission by God for all believers. It is not simply a suggestion but a commandment. No one is beyond biblical analysis. As Christians, we should all be concerned with defending our faith.

Some will say that by doing so, we are causing "disunity" among the church. But our unity is based solely upon the truth of God's Word. If something is untrue, then it certainly must not be embraced and accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ. Wasn't even Christ divisive?

Luk 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

Jhn 7:43 So there was a division among the people because of him.

Jhn 9:16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

Jhn 10:19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

Clearly Christ came to divide and then unify. Christ divided those who believed from those who did not. Then, He unified those who did believe through the truth of God. He does the same thing today through His Living Word. God's Word divides the saved from the unsaved, the wheat from the tares, and then unifies those who truly believe in Christ of the Bible.

What many false teachers have offered is a "Counterfeit Christ" which produces a "counterfeit Christianity".

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Should we neglect this declaration straightly from the mouth of Christ Himself? Should we believe that these teachers and false prophets do not exist?

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Is Peter to be considered a liar? If there are no false teachers, we say that God is a liar and we can't believe His Word to be true. If these false prophets aren't right in front of us, then where are they?

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Whoever would like to respond directly, please feel free to email me at byhisgraceiam@yahoo.com.

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bro ByHisGrace
yes indeed we have to expose false teaching wherever it may be and false teachers alike. people oft talk of the peace of Christ (which is given to those whom the Father has given Him) but forget that He came to bring a sword and separate those who are the Father's and His from those tht are not. so this will cause disunity but those who are called of God will be drawn together. in the spirit of being all-inclusive/accepting we open the door to the enemy coming in and disrupting the perfect unity we have in Christ in all things.


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Farai Bamu

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 Re: Popular TV preachers

What about Rod Parcely???

INTERESTING: Rod Parcely favorite book? Answer: You guessed it..."Why Revival Tarries" L.Ravenhill :-(


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 TV is the problem

What is their message? Send me money so I can keep the show going so I can keep asking you to send more money. Many send money for all the wrong reasons.
They have moved from preaching and teaching to putting on a show, creating an illusion for NON-spiritual purposes, i.e. Holding the audience, generating revenue, making everything "look good", I have watched TBN and other "shows" for over 40 years off and on with very long periods of NON watching. They have evolved into razzle-dazzle, high tech programs that are packaged and canned. I would question are they saving more souls than sending to Hell? The Lord only knows, you toss in questionable theology, prophecies, self-serving messages, the book and movie deals it all sounds too Hollywood. However, Paul said, " As long as Christ is preached"


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