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 Unity in the Body

Beloved, can there honestly be unity in the Body as it stands today? I am generally not speaking of denominational boundaries nor general doctrinal differences but those whom appear to be in error? (ie - word of faith, 5 fold ministry believers and the like...) if so then how?? In Him Scott :-(

 2003/11/17 23:25Profile
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 Re: Unity in the Body

Yes, the Body has always been unified -- remember, Jesus prayed that we would be one and his prayers were answered. Surely you've had experiences where you have met another believer and had a complete unity of the Spirit with them -- even though they were of a different denomination, etc.

There will continue to be a growing unity in the body as we all grow into this full and perfect unity in the faith. The institution will always stand in the way of this, but God will move sovereignly to bring his people into this final unity.

 2003/11/17 23:34Profile
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 Re: unity

Jason, I agree that I have experienced running into believers and having that unity of spirit, but I have also run into "believers" and have had the oppposite experience. I realize Christ desires the unity of the Body--its imperative. But I also believe that the enemy has a parallel lie running at the same time ( as he has for every truth of the Lord) for the purpose of deceiving the greater Body as a whole---after all he is not interested in the ones he already has but the ones that got away. My question is is can "believers" be gathered to unity with those that are in strict error ? (as mentioned before) my intention is not to produce division for this would be victory to you know who--but unity must be obtained by His truth.

 2003/11/18 9:50Profile
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It's kind of hard for me to put this into words...so bear with me if I say something that seems a bit off.
From time to time all of us run into Christians who are sadly mistaken in some of their doctrine. It's a deception, a veil over their eyes. It doesn't mean that they're not Christian by any means just because they are believing a lie. I mean, as a new Christian, early on I thought God really wanted me to gouge my eye out if I looked lustfully at a guy. But there are greater deceptions out there held as truth by decades-old Christians who really should know better.
"Christians are not perfect, just forgiven." How often have we seen that? We're sinners. And as sinners, we mess up. Sometimes Christians are simply stubborn. The truth is presented to them, and it's contrary to what they believed. So as the cognitive dissonance permeates in their brain, the defense walls are raised against their brother or sister.
So while some with these false truths running around in their head are "believers", others are truly believers.
I'm in a women's Bible Study Tuesday nights and a few weeks ago we set our hearts on praying for God to dispell for us any lies we had been believing about His character and who He is. One girl thought that she had some sins God refused to forgive, and I was shown that God doesn't turn His back on me and walk away when I do something wrong. We had been humanizing God, and it was a deception. I'm Christian, but I'm still learning and have SO FAR to go, and sometimes I just subconsciously assume certain things to be truth because God just hasn't brought me to that level of understanding yet.
Unity of the body is imperitive. And there is only ONE TRUTH. I was witnessing to a girl today who believes herself to be a Christian but I know that she is not, and had to explain to her that truth is not subjective...Jesus is the ONLY way, the ONLY truth, and the ONLY life. I don't care if Allah means God...Allah doesn't exist and no one who follows him will be seen in heaven if they don't get their act together.
And because of that basic doctrine of Christ, because of His love, and because He commanded it of us...you are right, Scott. Unity of the body IS imperitive.
Ephesians 4:1-6 is a major passage on unity in the Spirit for me. The NIV says "make every effort"! We should make every effort to keep that unity in the body of Christ! The arms on my body don't randomly decide to detach themselves and reside someplace else. (If they did, I'd have some problems.)
If a brother or sister wrongs me, I can't just turn my back and walk away. I am commanded to sincerely forgive them over and over and over again. If they are my brother or sister, and have some sort of messed-up doctrine, well 2 Timothy 3:16-17 tells me I use His Word to correct them. And I refuse to give up on them.
God endured SO MUCH for us. I think I can put up with a believer who is erred in his thinking. And if they're not a believer? Well, that's a case-by-case scenario. I don't have much patience with false prophets and teachers, but I'll put up with a misguided lost lamb as long as God allows me and their hearts remain open and soft to discussing Christ, that I might have more witnessing opportunities with them.


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early on I thought God really wanted me to gouge my eye out if I looked lustfully at a guy.


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God endured SO MUCH for us. I think I can put up with a believer who is erred in his thinking. And if they're not a believer? Well, that's a case-by-case scenario. I don't have much patience with false prophets and teachers, but I'll put up with a misguided lost lamb as long as God allows me and their hearts remain open and soft to discussing Christ, that I might have more witnessing opportunities with them.


Thank you Mary! that is very sound advice and needs to be heard more often in these days of denominationism and divison.


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 Re: unity

Thankyou Mary for your well regarded input and I whole heartedly agree with every thing you have said. But what about those false prophets and teachers? If by unifying ourselves with them do we not some how support and agree with what is in error. For the last month I have read and been told by people involved with camps that are headed by what we would consider false teachings(and teachers) about their explicit drive to unify the Body - but only to what their false teachings adheres to - otherwords if we are not unified to how they think then WE ARE IN ERROR, and should be cast aside(read on the posts for the third wave stuff). So I see a parellel stance on Gods commands. I see the enemy utilizing this principle of Gods Kingdom to cause error and division - how do we unify and still maintain the truth without causing division? Is it possible? :-?

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But what about those false prophets and teachers? If by unifying ourselves with them do we not some how support and agree with what is in error.


That is my worry also brother, I think you know but for the benefit of others I will state that I have not put up sermons by many popular preachers and teachers. The simple reason is I believe that they teaching these not in accordance with the Word of God and of Christ. But most of them are brothers and sisters in Christ and I don't account them accursed. I have felt a peace from God by taking certain stands against these popular doctrines and teachings.

[b]Jude 4 (kjv)[/b] - For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

I recommend to anyone that they listen to this sermon by David Wilkerson on the above verse:
[url=http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=7]Turning the Grace of God into Lasiviousness[/url]


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otherwords if we are not unified to how they think then WE ARE IN ERROR


Thats a great classic example of satan taking a good truth and biblical principle and twisting it for his own purposes.

[b]2 John 10-11 (kjv)[/b] - If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, recieve him not into [i]your[/i] house, neither bid him God speed. For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

It seems the principle of sharing in 'sins' of false doctrine is clearly stated here.


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As far as false prophets and false teachers go, I refuse to unify myself with them.
Brought to mind is 1 Corinthians where we're told not to marry non-believers. It's like unifying the body of Christ with a prostitute in a sense, who can claim to be "a good person" but is truly detestable in God's sight.
As Christians, we are in Christ, and one doesn't need to have the gift of discernment to know through Christ that some people are really not in-line with God. We watch Benny Hinn and others on television and you KNOW that these people are not Spirit-led nor Spirit-filled!
Should my true brother and sister in Christ decide Benny Hinn is the best thing since sliced bread, I'll tell them why I believe they're horribly mistaken and show them Biblically all of my support. They may listen to me, and they may not. If they choose not to, do I say, "Well then, poo you"? No! lol They're my brother/sister, and I will never abandon them, just as Christ never abandons us. And you know what, as a true believer, God will reveal to them the truth over and over again until their stubborn loyalty to a false prophet/teacher is broken.
From personal experience, I tell you that it's hard watching a brother that you love get sucked in by such people. Cults, for example, are a greater danger to new Christians than we believe. In their excitement, they can easily get caught up in false doctrine.
This is one of the many reasons God has given more mature believers the responsibility of discipleship, part of His great commission to us. I think we neglect it too much.
Great, we've witnessed to someone and God allowed us to lead that person to Him and He has saved them, but how dare we leave it at that! We are to encourage them in their walk, assisting them in their growth as God allows us and teaching them through our words as well as our lives.
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how do we unify and still maintain the truth without causing division? Is it possible?

Yes, it is. We unify through Christ and maintain the truth through Christ. He did not come to bring peace, but division -- not among believers, but between those who are His and those who are not!
As believers we have the responsibility to maintain unity. There are basic doctrine that all of us can agree on -- He died the death penalty that our sins deserved, and rose from the dead three days later, thus achieving victory over death!! Through Christ and Him alone we have life!! YIPPEE!!
How can there be disunity and condescending attitudes toward one another with this in mind? You will come across believers who overshadow what really matters with their pride and their resolute steadfastness to THEIR believes. Oh, well. Don't reciprocate their treatment of or attitude toward you. Ephesians 4..."make EVERY EFFORT".


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 Re: Unity

Not to beat a dead Horse, but all those requirements for a unified brethren are those that many of the false prophets and teachers believe in. I am saying what about those that promote the true Gospel through their own agendas(the true Gospel) are they yet still our brethren ? The Benny Hinns the Kenneth Copelands the John Hagees the T.D. Jakes and yes the good ol' Creflo Dollars? these are the ones today that dominate the Christian Camp at large--these errors permeate the greater church throughout the world today? if we alienate them do we alienate all that are under there teaching? It is these "believers, prophets and teachers" that are standing shoulder to shoulder promoting their unity in the body---- These are the ones that have the giant money engines that move there rhetoric at a phenominal pace......in the end I know God will prevail....I just want to be the most effective tool for him that I can be to accomplish that goal.

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