Hmm I am very tempted to start a discussion on Creationism, but I'll let the websites I mentioned show the facts.
Dear Ron,Yes, my dear friend, I believe in the triune God. It seems there is no adequate way to state that without someone arguing about the way I said it. Lol.
but as it stands it leaves your personal conviction as the ultimate authority.
because of this statement from a recent post of yours
know this is true, not because the bible says so, but because Christ within me affirms this. He is my shepard.
Dear Ron,I know what you are referencing. I am trying to understand how you make the connection between the two. How does my statement make personal conviction the ultimate authority? What do you mean by "personal conviction"?What is the ultimate authority? Additionally, when Paul and other writers wrote the scriptures, they were writing from thier personal experiences with Christ. The four gospels are four personal testimonies of Christ. Are they not? I am sorry if I seem a bit frustrating. I am trying to listen and make sure I hear you correctly. In love,Blake
Additionally, when Paul and other writers wrote the scriptures, they were writing from thier personal experiences with Christ. The four gospels are four personal testimonies of Christ. Are they not?
What do you mean by "personal conviction"?What is the ultimate authority?
Dear Ron,I see. Now I understand what you are saying.
I think you are putting your own 'convictions' which you believe to be from God on the same level as propositional revelation as we find it in the scripture. If I am mistaken in that please correct me and tell me why you are not prepared to accept the scriptures as the final court of appeal.
By ultimate authority, I mean that the scripture is the final court of authority and by them all our 'personal convictions' must be judged.
Hi BlakeWhat you are saying is that the scripture only becomes the word of God when it becomes the word of God to you, personally. That is [url=http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&order=0&topic_id=3939&forum=34&post_id=&refresh=Go]Barthianism.[/url] Here is a test for you. "God is Spirit" Is that true or is it true when you believe it? You use the phrase 'the scripture holds revelation', Barth (and Bubbaguy, and you will see where it has taken him.) would have said 'the scripture holds the word of God' but is not the word of God in itself. Barth believed that the scriptures were the testimony of men and women to the 'word' of God' and not the word of God in themselves. The testimony of the scriptures might have some errors but the experience to which they testified was true. What we have then is a highly dubious testimony of a fallible eyewitnesses and we are dependent upon the person who bears the witness. This is why Bubbaguy rejects Paul's testimony in the scripture, because he cannot trust the man who Paul was.Christ, who is the word of God, believed that the scriptures were the word of God Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. (Mark 7:13, KJVS)If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (John 10:35, KJVS)In this latter quote the phrases 'the scriptures' and 'the word of God' are synonimous. Certainly a man's spirit taught by the Spirit of God will recognise the 'word of God' as he reads it in the scripture, but recognising is not the same as validating. The scriptures must validate the 'word of God' as it is apprehended in the human heart. A man's spirit taught by the Spirit of God will 'witness to' the same Spirit's testimony in the scriptures. In fact, if a man's spirit does not recognise the the scriptures as the 'word of God' I question who is instructing his spirit.
And yet, Martin Luther defied this very scripture by protesting the Catholic Church. He was not the first or the last. It was widely believe at the time that the bible should not have a single word changed, not even to be translated into another language. They felt this was an immense sin. And so, when Tyndale translated the bible into English, they killed him. I believe in all my heart that Tyndale and Luther were submitting unto the will of Christ holding Him as the ultimate authority. However, the men they protested against were holding the bible (thier own interpretation of it) as the ultimate authority.
The Holy Spirit spoke through King David and the writers of the bible. He used these writers to spread His message. Likewise, the Holy Spirit uses people today. Have you never heard His voice in someone? Have you not ever had an experience where someone said something to you, and you knew it was the Lord speaking to you?
When Christ speaks, whether through the bible or another person, is it not all by the same authority? Or is the bible always greater?
However, before checking our convictions against the bible, don't you think we should first turn to Christ and submit unto His authority? Should we not pray and ask Christ first?
Ron, the problem you are ignoring is that we all have to interpret the bible when reading it. Blake is saying that he depends upon the Holy Spirit in doing so. Do you?Bubbaguy
Ron, the problem you are ignoring is that we all have to interpret the bible when reading it. Blake is saying that he depends upon the Holy Spirit in doing so. Do you?
Ron,The Bible records the history of man's growing relationship with God. As we have come up from primative times, the relationship evolved and this is reflected in the differing presentation styles and progression of the books within it. It is inspired by God and recorded and passed down through the generations by fallible man. Yet, it is full of Truths and provides the basis for understanding and accepting salvation from sin through the teachings and sacrifice of Christ Jesus. It is worthy of study and consideration in the guidance of our lives and provides many fine examples of how people have dealt with this sinful and evil world. It teaches universal, unconditional love, and that is the most important thing in it.Bubbaguy (Jake)