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sorry! please ignore this

 2005/8/30 1:54
rookie
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Brother Ron wrote:

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England has never been and can never be a Christian nation, and King George was German. I don't know whether or not King George was a Christian. What makes you think he was?



I guess I was remembering what I was taught in highschool about the kings of Europe. After the teachings of Calvin took hold back in the late 1500's, the kings of Europe adopted the philosophy of "Divine Rule."

I guess I was loose with the term Christian, There are those who are Christians and there are those who take on the outward appearance of being a christain,

I also see your point in saying that England was never and will never be a Christain nation, And I will declare the same truth pretaining to the USA.

Nationalism is a wine that causes many to stumble,

Thankyou Brother Ron
In Christ
Jeff


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Jeff Marshalek

 2005/8/30 11:46Profile
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Brother Ron wrote:

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"I saw, in the end, that Jeffreys wanted us to be free to do what he wanted". Is this the motive of the 'democrats' too?



There is a huge war taking place in central Asia. The stakes are high. The USA, Russia, and China are waging a covert war against each other for future dominance in this region of the world,

The strategies of fallen men are seeking to cement prosperity found in the treasures that are of this world,

Job 15:31 Let him not trust in futile things, deceiving himself,
For futility will be his reward.

Job 15:35 They conceive trouble and bring forth futility;
Their womb prepares deceit.”

Psa. 78:33 Therefore their days He consumed in futility,
And their years in fear.

There are many fearful people in this world.

In Christ
Jeff


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Jeff Marshalek

 2005/8/30 11:57Profile
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I guess I was remembering what I was taught in highschool about the kings of Europe. After the teachings of Calvin took hold back in the late 1500's, the kings of Europe adopted the philosophy of "Divine Rule."


The history of this nation is confusing even for folk who have tried to study it and lived here. Earlier kings ruled by Papal consent in that he was their 'vicar' and had the power of excommunication with its consequence in this life and the next.

Henry VIII was essentially a Catholic with himself as Pope. He took the right to choose the bishops. A right which is still nominally held by the British Government. Nominations may come from the Anglican counsels but finally it is in the 'gift' of the monarch's prime minister. (I think that is how it works) Of course, this being England nothing is quite what it seems and the prime minister really just does as he is counselled.

The blood letting in England was worst in the reigns of Henry's children Edward (the protestant) and Mary (Bloody Mary, the Catholic). Elizabeth was the resulting compromise. She favoured a 'reformed theology' with a 'catholic liturgy'. On her death James (James the VIth of Scotland became king.) He was stongly episcopal because he had seen that the 'kirk' in Scotland was controlled by its own elders and not by royally appointed bishops. James was determined to have an episcopal Anglical church in which he could pressure the bishops to do as he wished. The presbyterians insisted that the king must do as the church told him; the royalists believed that the church should do as the king told it. This was the seeds for our Civil War in 1642.

James did believe in the divine rights of kings but this was a hangover from early times rather than a product of the reformation or reformed teaching. Finally the struggle for ultimate power became intense and Charles 1st, the son of James raised his banners in Nottingham in 1642 and declared war on his own parliament. Subsequent kings were trimmed back with almost each succeeding parliament until the present time in which we have a constitutional monarchy where the monarch is permitted to reign but not to rule. That's a great British compromise for you.

During James 1st reign a group of protestants who were somewhat on the left-wing of the reformation decided they had had enough of church and priestcraft and, via Holland, took passage on a boat called the Mayflower...

I think you know the story from there... :-D


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Ron Bailey

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