[img]http://www.sermonindex.net/images/forum/2004/may/featured_news.gif[/img]A new study found there are at least 1,200 MegaChurches in the United States 50 percent more than previously thought by most religion researchers and the number may be growing.Our preliminary research for the major survey effort indicates there could very well be another 200 to 400 megachurches in addition to these, said Warren Bird, the Director of Leadership Community Intellectual Capital Support at the Leadership Network.Earlier this year, the Leadership Network the foremost networking and resource organization for very large churches - joined with the Hartfort Institute for Religion Research for one of the most extensive mega-church project ever undertaken. Together they found there were at least 1,200 Protestant churches claiming more than 2,000 weekly worship attendants.In the past, each organization held a database of around 850 very large churches in the U.S. When the two groups compared their records, they found only 600 churches overlapped on both list, leaving hundreds of churches unaccounted for.In terms of affiliation, the greatest number of megachurches is non-denominational or Southern Baptist, followed by the Assemblies of God, the Presbyterian Church U.S.A. and the United Methodist Church.
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Will I get clobbered over the head for saying ~ Oh how sad ? (probably - I better run)No, what I wanted to say is... David Wilkerson started in the AoG and so did we, 30 yr.s ago.But, in '85 we left ... as in my husband turned in his license.I'm not picking on just them as a denomination, but in a Pastor's conference (District Office meeting), they hired a guy who had no Bible Ed, but was hired because he had been a big Corporate man who bragged that he made a few Corporations turn into multi-millions of profit ... that's all he talked about for 45 min.s.Then went on to say how he was going to grow the AoG by putting up Billboards, etc. etc..We wondered when he would talk about "building up the Body of Christ."That was when we got out.Since then, a Pastor told us, that at his District Office's meeting 2 yr.s ago, that all the Pastors were told, to "throw away their Hymnals, ease up on the Hell, Fire, etc., change the music to overhead projector modern stuff, and if anyone over 50 gripes, find a way to get them to leave."Hmmm !Well, that 'is' how you grow a mega-church, isn't it ?So,that's why I think it's sad. The AoG college we met at, had OLD retired missionaries as Professors, and they were the greatest men I've ever met. Of course they're all long gone to Heaven now ... Thank God, cuz they'd die anyway, if they saw what's become of things in the last 25 yr.s, since they've been gone.Now I'll duck & run. (:
Since then, a Pastor told us, that at his District Office's meeting 2 yr.s ago, that all the Pastors were told, to "throw away their Hymnals, ease up on the Hell, Fire, etc., change the music to overhead projector modern stuff, and if anyone over 50 gripes, find a way to get them to leave."
Man has always been fascinated by numbers - the bigger, the better, it seems. Quite sad that this attraction for numbers is also a characteristic of Christians today.The words of the Lord comfort me more than any of those figures:"Where two or three have gathered in My name, there I am in their midst.", Matthew 18:20
Jesus said, "[b]I[/b] will build [b]my[/b] church".If he is not building it; it's not his church.If it's not his church; he won't bulid it.
taco wrote:Jesus said, "[b]I[/b] will build [b]my[/b] church".If he is not building it; it's not his church.If it's not his church; he won't bulid it.
...whatever it takes to get the lost sheep in,
Most of the comments here remind me of 10 shekels and a shirt, Paris told a story about the cadillac. (I won't go into detail, you NEED to listen to it if you have not)Meaga churches built with P/R skills. Since when is building churches about marketing? It's sad. Let's all pray for churches to get back to the Gospel. plain and simple. Remember, LIFE ETERNAL is relevant no matter what generation. Thaks for the info greg.
Statistically speaking, are the lost sheep the reason these churches are growing so fast? Does anyone know of a study looking into this question?
- In fact, when I started Saddleback 23 years ago, I said we would never go on TV and we'd never go on the radio because I didn't want to be a celebrity. I think always being in the spotlight blinds you. I think that you get more done under the radar, behind the scenes. And I actually was able to do it for about 23 years until this blasted book kind of blew my cover. But I was able to just keep behind the scenes, and while I wasn't known like a Jerry Falwell or a Robert Schuler or some of these media personalities, every pastor in America knew who I was because I put all of my sermons on an Internet site and it gets 400,000 hits a day from pastors. And so, instead of me teaching it on the radio or TV, we put it on the Internet and we allow other pastors to take this material and use it...Another myth is that mega-churches require little or no commitment. What I mean by that is that people think if you're big, you must be shallow. And I would just say to that the reality is that most members of typical churches could not join Saddleback because they would not be willing to meet the requirements. We have very strong standards for requirements. They're pretty tough, and we're not interested in the big membership; we're interested in turning an audience into an army and mobilizing it for good...The last one that I'll give you is the myth that mega-churches grow by marketing. I'm so tired of this story; I've heard it over and over and over the latest being the most recent issue of Business Week, where it basically says the mega-churches are big business. Now that is just such a superficial, unrealistic view of what actually goes on. The implication is that if a church is this big, it must be because of marketing. No, it's because of changed lives. When peoples' lives are changed you'd have to lock the doors to keep them out, because they want to go where their lives are changed. We put people in a tent for three years where we would freeze in the winter and it would rain on us all spring and we'd burn up in the summer and the howling winds could come through and people would walk about a mile through the mud to get to this tent. I mean, everything was inconvenient. And why did they come, why did they show up? Because their lives were getting changed; that is what was happening. So they put up with inconvenience...[b]Really there are two kinds of mega-churches. They don't grow the same way. Some grow by transferred growth and some grow by conversion. And anytime you see a mega-church that grows instantly it just kind of explodes and all of a sudden they go from zero to 5,000, that's a church that's growing by transfer growth, which means they've just become the hot act in town and everybody goes, "Let's just all go over there. That's the place to go so we'll all go." And as a pastor, I don't consider that legitimate growth. Jesus said, "I'll make you fishers of men." This is like swapping fish in the aquarium. It's like we pop them from one place to another, and they grow at the expense of other churches...Saddleback is unique in that 78 percent of the members of our church had no religious background prior to joining the church. It is a church of conversion growth. We've baptized about 14,000 adults in the last eight years. So that means this is not a church that grew at the expense of other churches.[/b]
...the reality is that most members of typical churches could not join Saddleback because they would not be willing to meet the requirements... we're interested in turning an audience into an army and mobilizing it for good...Saddleback is unique in that 78 percent of the members of our church had no religious background prior to joining the church. It is a church of conversion growth. We've baptized about 14,000 adults in the last eight years.