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 NOT ONE BIBLE VERSE INSTRUCTS WOMEN TO HAVE CAREERS



Of course, careers for women came from a godless, heathen world! There is nothing in the Bible that encourages or instructs women to leave their homes for hours every day, their children with strangers to raise, and go to a job. If there is one, I have never read it. Yes, there are some women in the Bible who made things in their homes and sold them like Lydia and the Proverbs 31 woman but not one left their home all day long with their children in the care of others and worked for a boss for five days a week.

Yes, some were midwives but they were at home unless they were delivering a baby. They didn’t keep office hours that kept them away from their family for hours every day. Priscilla worked alongside her husband making tents but again, this wasn’t in a factory where she had to be away from her home all day long. She was being a help meet to her husband. Deborah was a judge in Israel but it doesn’t say anything about her holding regular office hours, working for a boss, and nothing about her having children but she was referred to as the Mother of Israel.

Are older women, as written in the Bible, to be known for their careers? No! They should be known for bringing up children, lodging strangers, washing the saints’ feet, relieving the afflicted, diligently following every good work (1 Timothy 5:10) and teaching the younger women (Titus 2:4). There’s nothing about them having careers.

Widows are not commanded to go out and pursue careers. Their families are the ones who should care for them and if the widow doesn’t have family, then the churches are to care for the widows. (Notice 1 Timothy 5:4 states who in the family should care for widows; “children or nephews” not “children or nieces” – the female children would most likely be married and have husbands who would provide whereas the nephews should help provide, not the nieces.) This is how God set it all up for the provision of women.

Men are the ones in the Bible that God commands to be the providers. This is God’s perfect will from the beginning of time and He reminds us that His commands are not burdensome. Nothing is impossible with Him and if He wants women home with their families, He will provide a way. He instructs us to ask for wisdom and He will give it freely!

There are several problems I see with women having careers, even when they are single. After spending all the time and money in pursuing their career, it’s difficult to give it up once the children come along, if and when they do. Also, many husbands like the money their wives make and don’t want them to stop so they insist on their wives keeping the job even when it becomes a strain on the wife. Married women who don’t have children still come home exhausted after working all day. They don’t have the energy to care for their homes or husbands like they would like to do, unless they are high energy women.

I believe one of the main causes of divorce today is due to women having careers. Women put all of their time and energy into their careers and neglect their husbands. They were created to be their husband’s help meet but they fail to do what God has called them to do because they can’t do everything and are too tired and exhausted to be helpers to their husbands. This is a recipe for failure and marriage is important to the Lord so it should be a priority for us; for marriage is an example to a lost world of Christ and His Church! Plus, when women have careers, they know that they have the freedom to divorce their husbands since they aren’t dependent upon their husbands for provision but God created wives to be dependent upon their husbands. This is a good thing, contrary to popular opinion.

Women who have careers typically have to work for a boss and the boss is usually a man, therefore, she is living in submission to a man who isn’t her husband which is not God’s plan. Plus, women don’t have the physical makeup that a man has and God created women with a more sensitive and emotional nature in order to be home with their children and/or caring for others, not out in the workforce.

What about single women who never get married? God’s instructions to them are to be holy in body and spirit. No, they don’t have to live underneath their father’s authority their entire lives. I know there are some who believe this but I don’t see this being instructed in the Bible although for protection and provision it is a good idea. She does need to know about the dangers of pursuing a career in case she does eventually get married.

But what about the women who do remain single their entire lives and don’t get married? What if careers are causing many more women to not get married since they don’t “need” a man to take care of them? What if this pursuit by women for careers makes them unattractive to men since they become forceful and independent? God’s plan from the beginning is for men and women to marry. He created men to need a help meet.

Colleges and universities don’t help women acquire meek and gentle spirits. Quite the contrary! They teach them to be strong (apart from the Lord), independent (they don’t need a husband), speak their minds, and stand up for themselves which is completely opposite of what the Lord wants for women. They don’t teach them to be gentle, submissive help meets to their husbands or how to raise godly offspring. Neither do they teach them anything about godly womanhood; no, not even the Christian colleges and universities since they push careers on the women.

There are many things women can do who aren’t married without getting a job. Culture tell us that there’s only option for young women today but it’s not. The young, unmarried Duggar and Bates women take courses on-line, serve their families, go on mission’s trips, assist midwives, serve their communities, find ways to make money from home, and many other things that help others instead of pursuing careers which take them away from their homes. This seems the way it should be, in my opinion.

Women working have taken many jobs away from men. Men NEED to work. God created them to have jobs and this usually defines them, whereas women define themselves by their relationships. Men don’t have to take off time when they bear children, their children get sick (if they have a wife at home), and they don’t feel guilt leaving their children all day long like women do because women know deep down that they are the ones who are supposed to be home with their own children.

I believe all godly women need to live their lives as if they may get married and have children some day. The worse thing would be to pursue a college education, amass a large debt, and place this burden upon their husbands when they get married, thus continuing to have to work after having children to pay off their debt. This is insanity to me! There are too many women that tell me they want to come home but are unable due to debt, their living style is too high, or their husbands want them to work because they make a large salary.

Finally, we are to live our lives according to God’s Word, not culture’s path. Young women, prayerfully consider the path you want to take. I encourage you to study God’s Word (all of the verses pertaining to godly womanhood) and make your decisions from doing this instead of watching the way our society’s women are going which has only led to the destruction of our culture. Children grow up to be much more productive members of society when they are loved and nurtured by their mothers during their childhood.

Please, don’t ask me about women being nurses (Do you know how hard it is for women to be on their feet for twelve hour shifts?), teachers, dental assistants or having careers such as these. I can assure you that not all of the women in the world are going to go home full time by reading this post or my blog. There will always be plenty of female nurses and teachers since there are many women who have no desire to be home full time, many more who are not believers so they don’t care about God’s will for their lives, and others who are not convicted that they should be home for their families and not have careers. There’s no need to hyperventilate about it!

Thankfully, I am not the judge of the world. I am only teaching my convictions based upon what I have read in the Word and obeying what the Lord has instructed older women to teach younger women, namely, to be keepers at home so they won’t blaspheme the Word of God which is a terrible thing to do.

Lori Alexander

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 Re: NOT ONE BIBLE VERSE INSTRUCTS WOMEN TO HAVE CAREERS


I just read proverbs 31 last night in my bible reading and it is very clear though the godly woman in that chapter showed much initiative it clearly showed she was a homemaker primarily. This is God's way of blessing for sisters to follow the Lord's instructions.

Proverbs 31:10-31 New International Version (NIV)

Epilogue: The Wife of Noble Character
10 [a]A wife of noble character who can find?
She is worth far more than rubies.
11 Her husband has full confidence in her
and lacks nothing of value.
12 She brings him good, not harm,
all the days of her life.
13 She selects wool and flax
and works with eager hands.
14 She is like the merchant ships,
bringing her food from afar.
15 She gets up while it is still night;
she provides food for her family
and portions for her female servants.
16 She considers a field and buys it;
out of her earnings she plants a vineyard.
17 She sets about her work vigorously;
her arms are strong for her tasks.
18 She sees that her trading is profitable,
and her lamp does not go out at night.
19 In her hand she holds the distaff
and grasps the spindle with her fingers.
20 She opens her arms to the poor
and extends her hands to the needy.
21 When it snows, she has no fear for her household;
for all of them are clothed in scarlet.
22 She makes coverings for her bed;
she is clothed in fine linen and purple.
23 Her husband is respected at the city gate,
where he takes his seat among the elders of the land.
24 She makes linen garments and sells them,
and supplies the merchants with sashes.
25 She is clothed with strength and dignity;
she can laugh at the days to come.
26 She speaks with wisdom,
and faithful instruction is on her tongue.
27 She watches over the affairs of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.
28 Her children arise and call her blessed;
her husband also, and he praises her:
29 “Many women do noble things,
but you surpass them all.”
30 Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting;
but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.
31 Honor her for all that her hands have done,
and let her works bring her praise at the city gate.


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 Re: NOT ONE BIBLE VERSE INSTRUCTS WOMEN TO HAVE CAREERS

I wonder what will a widow do then to her children, let them starve do death, or is their a difference between a career and a job.

Also, I am thinking about Ruth, what she did to support herself and Naomi.

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 Re: I wonder...


passerby,

Your question, "I wonder what will a widow do then to her children, let them starve do death, or is their a difference between a career and a job", was addressed in the OP;

"Widows are not commanded to go out and pursue careers. Their families are the ones who should care for them and if the widow doesn’t have family, then the churches are to care for the widows. (Notice 1 Timothy 5:4 states who in the family should care for widows; “children or nephews” not “children or nieces” – the female children would most likely be married and have husbands who would provide whereas the nephews should help provide, not the nieces.) This is how God set it all up for the provision of women."

Re: Ruth

Undeniably, there are exceptions to the rule. But what we have done is made the exception the rule.

We are not to be as the pharisees, getting riled by a healing taking place on the Sabbath. Yet even the pharisees wouldn't leave a helpless animal in the pit if it had fallen in on the Sabbath. They'd come to its aid.

If those who are called Christians obeyed their Lord in the matter of taking care of their own, these needs would mostly be taken care of. But most churches have adopted the philosophy and practice of the culture rather than doing what He says.

Yet, thankfully there are some who follow this rule, and so preserve His Word as a light and a testimony in the darkness which is without form and void.

May we return, along with our women, to the Word and to the Testimony. Until then we will see no revival of the Christian faith and practice once for all delivered to the holy and separate ones.

The spirit which now works in the children of disobedience is running roughshod over the church and making them disobedient children.

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"Widows are not commanded to go out and pursue careers. Their families are the ones who should care for them and if the widow doesn’t have family, then the churches are to care for the widows. (Notice 1 Timothy 5:4 states who in the family should care for widows; “children or nephews” not “children or nieces” – the female children would most likely be married and have husbands who would provide whereas the nephews should help provide, not the nieces.) This is how God set it all up for the provision of women."

1 Timothy 5:4-16 English Standard Version (ESV)

"But if a widow has children or grandchildren, let them first learn to show godliness to their own household and to make some return to their parents, for this is pleasing in the sight of God."

How about if the widow's children are not yet adult, should they work for the household.

Just how many churches do support widows, how about Lori Anderson?

 2019/12/9 8:08Profile
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Re: "Just how many churches do support widows..."

I answered this in my previous post;

"...most churches have adopted the philosophy and practice of the culture rather than doing what He says."

I personally know widows who have children who are not adults and are cared for by their church.

I also personally know several women whose husbands left them with children and no support. The churches take care of them as well.

As I said, most churches do not practice His Word regarding this. And again, as I said, 'undeniably there are exceptions'.

That being so, it still doesn't negate God's Word which is explicitly stated. But the 'church culture' has adopted the world's culture as the norm. This ought not to be!

Other related factors have not even been mentioned, i.e. social security, life insurance, pensions, legal procedures, etc.

But, for sure, the current trend among modern churches is that they've drifted far away from following God's Word. Not only on issues related to this, but on many issues.

One can only say with Joshua, "as for me and my house we will serve the Lord."

 2019/12/9 10:29Profile
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I also view that woman leadership not only in the churches is a sign of a decadent state. I just have some reservations with regards to prohibiting a woman from working for personal or family needs.

But pursuing a career for self-actualization, fame, wealth, earthly advocacy, independence, or power is not of faith, it is wordly path, it is a bondage.

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I think youre full of bologna...all of you who propagate this big step backwards.

Think a moment on what this no-career means.

Women need no college, they need no higher education.
They need no voting rights because they need not be counted in our society as a 'voice'.

They need no insights into the various health, education or societal affairs seeing as they are keepers at home, meaning their focus is upon non-worldly instruction or teachings derived strictly from their husbands or the scriptures or their church.

They need no computer since they are merely trespassers into our 'world' where they are too uneducated to offer an educated opinion.

I expect every women agreeing with this tripe to vacate Sermon index forum.

I expect every woman who thinks a woman with a career is only in it for self actualization, fame, wealth, advocacy and independence to understand she is judging all other women of impure motive while using this worlds technology to forward that thought.

Im saying to men and women, don't you see the hypocrisy of telling women to step back 200 years...while you in a cavalier way use modern conveniences to do it? Using your education, technology, freedoms, voice and privilege?

Is there no man here that wonders about God's providence and his way of advancing the Church in a world that he permits to operate as it does?

I personally think those of you who are advocating such nonsense to realize the kind of world you sentimentalize but would never want to live in.

Before you call me a feminist propagator, you might want to consider how you have used this worlds wisdom, technology, culture, government, education to propagate this supposed holy step back for women.

This whole thing is rive with glaring hypocrisy.


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My wife is well educated and has a masters in Engineering from a top US university. She quit her job after our first Child was born. She wanted to be a stay at home mother. It is a choice she made and I gave her the freedom to choose.

So I believe I can comment on this topic better than most people here.

God looks into the motive rather than action. For example it is clear that God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16). But many who are divorced will defend by saying the circumstances of divorce is more important.

I believe there is no difference in God's eyes between a women who does some business from home or goes to work in a field. Many Jewish women work in fields as mentioned in Ruth. If a women can work in the fields of others, why not in the office of others? Proverbs 31:16 says she works in fields. Proverbs 31:24 - says she sells garments. I believe she should be standing in market to sell them not just a garage sale!

The point is not whether a women goes to work in a regular job or works from home. In Gods eyes they are all same. The point is, can a women work to earn money in addition to fulfilling her responsibilities in home. The answer is Yes, but when needed.

If there is a need in the family where the Husband is not earning enough then the wife can definitely join to assist him in running the family. I believe that is what Proverbs 31 women did. If that proverb was written in todays time, there will be a mention of doing a regular job as well.

But if the purpose of a women working is to get an identity that is other than being a respected Mother or wife, then it is wrong. Most working women do it because it is an identity for them. They love the social identity of being employed by major companies like Apple or Amazon etc. They take pride in their social position. This is definitely wrong.

Another common motivation is the love for luxurious life. Many families have both husband and wife working, so that they can afford a bigger house, better car, eat out more etc.

None of these things I could afford, I live paycheck to paycheck. But as long as my needs are met, I do not find any reason for my wife to work. But tomorrow I run into a financial struggle where I cannot meet the ends of my family, i have no reason to prevent my wife from jumping in to help. This is what any Godly women will do.

I have seen families where the man of the house alone worked and educated wife stayed at home to home school Children. I have seen how much God used such families to bless the Church.

I have also seen families in which Husband was not skilled enough to meet the family needs. Hence wife had to work and Children when to public Schools. But God preserved their Children and also made such a family a blessing.

But I have never seen a house in which husband and wife worked for social status or luxury and then were also a blessing. Or have produced Godly offspring.

Also the point about Widows living under the mercy of Church is so stupid. It is letter and not spirit. The Spirit of Paul is that Church should not be burdened and that is why he says that if a widow has relatives then let them take care. If a widow can live at the mercy of relatives then why not by her own hand? The point is not to be a burden for the Church. We miss the spirit and cling on to word here.

I tell my wife all the time to keep her self updated in Technologies so that if something happens to me, then she can run the family using her education and skills. This is far more superior in God's eyes than she living as a burden to some relative or burdening the Church.

It is spirit that gives life, letter only causes death.




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Sree: Beautifully said...and it offers a much more realistic work of God in the world and the Church than a so-called exodus of women from the careers and jobs so many of them have.


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