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deltadom
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Hemel Hempstead

 Why catholic’s are not another denomination

Recently the pope gave a message to thy kingdom come an ecumenical gathering of the churches with Justin welby

His Holiness Pope Francis message to the Church for Thy Kingdom Come 2019 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooy4kJFCmNY

The Pope Video - Interreligious Dialogue - Enligsh v2
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FKuQqHMhJdY

The pope is trying to unite the faiths

The catholic’s do not believe in sola scripture they believe that scripture and church traditions hold equal amount of weight

78 This living transmission, accomplished in the Holy Spirit, is called Tradition, since it is distinct from Sacred Scripture, though closely connected to it. Through Tradition, “the Church, in her doctrine, life and worship, perpetuates and transmits to every generation all that she herself is, all that she believes.” [37] “The sayings of the holy Fathers are a witness to the life-giving presence of this Tradition, showing how its riches are poured out in the practice and life of the Church, in her belief and her prayer.” [38]
Catholic catechisms

A list of false teachings in the Roman Catholic Church
https://carm.org/catholic/list-of-roman-catholic-false-teachings

Are Roman Catholicism and Christianity the same thing?
https://carm.org/catholic/is-catholicism-christian

The dangerous thing is it means that catholic’s are going to hell if they do not know Jesus

Berean beacon is a ministry that deals with former catholic’s
https://bereanbeacon.org/

Are Catholics Christians?
https://bereanbeacon.org/are-catholics-christians/#1512673346014-d267733b-6e7f

With the ecumenical movement it is dangerous




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Dominic Shiells

 2019/6/11 15:18Profile
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 Re: Why catholic’s are not another denomination

Romans 10:9 "...if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be an evangelical protestant."

Favorite verse of mine.


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Tyler

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Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect

Matt 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

It is to do with what the bible have you read sources like the berean beacon of people who are formally in the Catholic church

They also preach a different gospel .

To undo the deaths of the reformation by people William Tyndale and many others sickens me to my stomach

To hear professors like William lane Craig and the whole mere Christianity and the acceptance of all the denominations ,

Read the foxes book of martyrs as with the advent of the reformation
Doctrines like
Sola fida, sola scripture, sola Christa , sola Gracia , sola de Gloria

The Catholic church tried to stop the bible being produced in the English language

The compromise of the church and the apostasy of the church is paramount

How many Catholics are going to hell because of the churches compromise becuase protestants are not witnessing to Catholics anymore
Tell me after reading stories from berean beacon
https://bereanbeacon.org/

1 Peter 4:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

When I used to live in Canterbury we passed by a field which was called martyrs fields and it says lest we forget and the church has forgotten

What saddens me is what kingdom do they want to bring in not the true Jesus but one of the antichrist


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Dominic Shiells

 2019/6/12 5:59Profile
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Does it not worry you that in England that the reformation has finally ended when you have Justin Welby and the pope together and the Coptic minister who's kingdom are they really trying to bring in a counter reformation

His holiness the pope's message to thy kingdom come 2019

https://youtu.be/Ooy4kJFCmNY
foxes book of martyrs

6. That praying to saints for the remission of sins, is misplacing adoration; as the saints themselves have occasion for an intercessor in Christ. Therefore, as God only can pardon our errors, we ought to sue to him alone for pardon. The priests were so highly offended at M. Rambaut's answers to the articles to which they would have had him subscribe, that they determined to shake his resolution by the most cruel method imaginable: they ordered one joint of his finger to be cut off every day, till all his fingers were gone; they then proceeded in the same manner with his toes;

Have we forgotten

People like William Tyndale who translated the bible from greek and Hebrew to English and the cruel death he suffered under the Catholic church

https://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/fox112.htm

It is like we do not care that are denominations are running light speed to an interfaith movement as there are lots of books about it

Where are the Christian leaders to stand up against this as all I hear is silence


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Dominic Shiells

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Romans 10:9 "...if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be an evangelical protestant."

If I remember right it doesn't say evangelical protestant, but I know it doesn't say youll be Roman Catholic either.

"thou shalt be saved" are Paul's words but that is the crux of the reformation, being able to know what the apostles actually taught over against what false teachers, popes and evangelists have taught us.

Liberal politics and Roman Catholicsm walk hand-in-hand on one important issue, namely, silencing opposing voices to their lies and tyranny. Like the Communists, Socialists and Nazi's they all have a common spirit. That spirit is one of hatred for God's truth and love of their own ways.


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Marvin

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What do you do with all the poor folks who had no other options back in the day, who truly loved Jesus but quite frankly did not have discernment websites to tell them all the evils of the RC church? It is all they ever knew.


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Todd

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Sometimes when we're reading and trying to understand the word of God, we have to be careful we don't allow ourselves to fall into this scripture. "A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion"-Proverbs 18:2


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TMK: "What do you do with all the poor folks who had no other options back in the day, who truly loved Jesus but quite frankly did not have discernment websites to tell them all the evils of the RC church? It is all they ever knew."

Exactly. The issue isnt Catholicism or protestantism. Its not being 100% correct in issues of theology, its not even having a good theology! Its of the heart where belief is held and of the mouth where confession is made.


The mechanism of salvation hasn't changed in 2000 years and it never will until Christ comes back.

What denomination was Paul? Peter? James? Barnabas?


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Hi Todd: I wasn't sure if you were addressing the question to me..."What do you do with all the poor folks who had no other options back in the day, who truly loved Jesus but quite frankly did not have discernment websites to tell them all the evils of the RC church? It is all they ever knew."

I wasn't sure if you were trying to be slippery or just didn't know what the reformers and early protestants did and said with those who were ignorant and caught up in the superstition of the RCC. I believe if you read them, their testimony will tell you what they believed and how they handled your question seeing they lived at that time.

I am a 21st century man speaking to 21st century people.
But my early reformers and protestant brothers and sisters were not shy about confessing their allegiance to scripture and repudiating the RCC doctrines. They knew full well the power of superstition and error and spoke plainly against it. This was their testimony to their peers. Any softening of that by me would be unfaithful to their witness, to which God appointed them to speak and witness Jesus Christ.

Sincere atheists and sincere religionists are both hell bound, this we know from scripture not some lack of understanding on my part or necessity on me to offer unlearned opinion.

The issue at hand is not my insight into 16th century hearts, but insight into scripture and a faithful declaration of that. This did the 16th century believers to their generation...I am seeking to do likewise.

Our generation is moving from private suppression of the knowledge of God, to a very public suppression of the knowledge of God. This very thing did the RCC and those ideologies which are the seed bed for error and the fruit of untold millions upon millions which were murdered in the last century.


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What did those believers do...who were not theologians, not learned, not able to go to school or read? They did as we are enjoined to do...preach the gospel and in so doing expose the error of RCC.


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