| Re: Coops|
Speak the to Father, do what He says, even if there is no time to think about it. Some needs are immediate. Others you have some time to be alone with God. The power is in the bloof of the Lamb. His name is Yeshua, Jesus.
| 2005/7/10 11:06|
| Re: Lahry|
lol the simplicity is frustrating! i want a how-to in 10 easy steps!
but the power isn't in our action but in our faith... i gues what im getting from this thread is "dont complicate things" and "just do what God says"
as much as i'd want otherwise, i think thats the best advice and thankyou guys so much
| 2005/7/10 20:22||Profile|
"but then have also heard people like Derek Prince who is convinced that he himself could be possesed and not know it..."
I have studied some of Prince's materials and this statement just doens't seem like him to me. Are you sure he said that? Did he say "possessed" or "demonized"?
| 2005/7/10 20:51||Profile|
hey todd, i borrowed the cd's from a someone ages ago and have given them back so i can't say for sure. i remember him talking about the difference between possesed and demonized but i can't remember what it was???
anyway at the time i seem to have taken it like he said he could have some spirit in him somehow, but that if he did then it was not going to let him know it was there...
dont quote me on it because the 4 months or so could have blurred it all in my mind! :-)
| 2005/7/10 23:18||Profile|
Cache Valley, Utah
out how they got there" "find out their name" "find out how long they have been there" "find out how many are there" etc
I would avoid conversing with demons. I know some people who actually talk with demons in people for quite some time getting info before they cast it out, and I believe that is very wrong.
Don't give that filth the benefit of talking, simply oust them in Jesus Name and be done with it. They deserve nothing else.
| 2005/7/11 13:54||Profile|
I would get anything by Lester Sumrall. Alien Entities by Lester Sumrall is probably the best book I've read on the subject. He has a few books about demonic power. Everything he has learned if from the Bible and what he had experienced. He has some awesome stories! Do a quick search on Clarita Villaneuva. She was "bitten by devils" She would get bite marks with salava still on the mark. Clarita Villaneuva also would have intercourse with the demon. The reactions of the girl made it evident that was what was going on. This is documented and made the newspaper. God used Lester Sumrall in this incident to free the girl. Do a Google on Clarita Villanueva, Lester Sumrall and you will get some results. I think the book Alient Entities is well worth it.
| 2005/7/11 14:18||Profile|
| Re: Teachings of Derek Prince|
"I borrowed the CD'S [Derek Prince's teachings of the Bible on the topic of Deliverance & Demonology, I guess is that may had been the topic or some other of that nature --- this explanation given I have added and is my own of what Coops may had been making reference to -- Jake] from someone ages ago, and have since given them back. So I can't say for sure. I remember him talking about the difference between possessed and demonized but I can't remember what it was?"
Derek Prince has passed on to be with the Lord near two years ago.
He finished his course here sometime after he moved back to Israel. In fact, it was in Jerusalem where he had passed on to be with the Lord at quite elderly age.
I know Derek's teachings well. For he was my spiritual father --- of course, God is our teacher, the Holy Spirit is our teacher. But God gives us some human teachers too.
Derek was a world class Bible scholar, and a very learned man. And he is one of the last of what could be called ministry giants. For most have since passed on now to be with the Lord. However, Derek's ministry wasn't as well known here in the United States as in other parts of the world. Especially in Britian and in Israel and in some other countries of the world.
I would rate most of Derek's teachings of the Bible, any where from good to excellent.
However, I don't believe he was always right about everything. After all, who can be? And even he use to say, that ---- "Wherever you hear someone speak or preach or teach. Do as you do when you eat fish. Shallow the meat, and spit out the bones."
In other words, don't believe every thing you hear just because someone said it.
Prayerfully study the Scriptures for yourself to see if it is true, and see if God makes it real to you.
But never believe any thing just because somebody said it. And to say, "Oh, this preacher said it or that preacher said it, so it must be true." I hope you are understanding what I am trying to say.
Moreover, even admittingly, and to his credit. Derek had admiited to have enrtered into same measure of error in the more early years of his ministry. Just curious as to how many in ministry today, do you think would ever publicly admit that? My guess is few would.
But Derek was right with God, and humble man.
He helped me much in helping to equip me to better serve God over a period of two years in which I have regularly received his lectures and teachings, and studied his writings.
However, in time I came to see error. At least in part I finally did some years later. As for the things he had come to teach about generational curses and on people having demons. Much he taught I see he was right about, but not entirely so.
Another error in which I came to see that he made was his more early years of ministry, in which he came to be more focused on the Devil and demons. And that should never be the focus of any biblical Christian ministry, and will always ultimately lead to error or to some measure of error.
"If the Devil can't get you to ignore him, he will get you to focus on him." For either will ultimately lead you into error.
| 2005/7/11 23:33||Profile|
Thanks for clearing that up for me. Yeah, big difference between "possessed" and "demonized." I am confident that he taught that a Christian, such as himself, can not be "possessed" but could be "demonized."
That's great that you are interested in this subject. I believe that God will help you understand.
| 2005/7/12 2:29||Profile|