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dohzman
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 Re: Brother Daryl

I ,like you, have a somewhat of a romanic flair in that story and I believe it would be an excellant script to pen. Who knows , maybe someone like cloud9 or Billy Grahams origanization would pick up on that script and produce it. You just never know really until you start down that path. God Bless you, and may He restore all the years that the cankerworm has eaten and give back to you that which was stolen. Your Bro. in Christ Daryl


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D.Miller

 2005/7/10 22:36Profile









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Neil, I dont deal in hypotheticals, so I'm not going to respond to yours.

You say when I come into a forum there is little grace coming from my end... but those who have taken the time to get to know me (which you have refused to do) see it differently. But thats ok... you've made up your mind. I'm kool with it, brother.

It's been said on here that we should choose our words prayerfully. Ah yes... but shouldn't people like Osteen do the same? I get ripped up cuz I [b]quote[/b] Osteen denying scripture on CNN, which is broadcasted to every corner of the [b]world[/b] ... but according to some on here, we're supposed to ignore it.

Thats just not right.

And to answer your question about who I look up to in Christianity... the answer is simple:

Keith Green and Charles Spurgeon.

This post probably seems a bit sharp, but believe me when I tell you I feel no anomosity toward anyone. I have been observing Neil for some time now... you dont ruffle my feathers as much as you think you do. ;-)

Krispy

 2005/7/11 6:14
crsschk
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 Not the issue

Krisp brother...

It's not the content but the delivery, that's all.

All of us or many of us, this rambler as well, have failed in poor choice of words to express our concerns. A backtrack through some of our earlier postings would bear this out, even Neil would have to admit to as much.

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I get ripped up cuz I quote Osteen denying scripture on CNN, which is broadcasted to every corner of the world ... but according to some on here, we're supposed to ignore it.


Not true brother, that last part. Goodness, nobody is propagating a sticking our head in the sand, a denying of much that is certainly out of whack with just the plain teachings of scripture, out of balance, prosperity 'teachings', WOF,... on infinitum. Nor are you getting 'ripped' for that. Nor as it was expressed earlier here that there is some kind of controlling aspect as to "No Negativity" (I realize that was not expressly attributed here).

It's just in the manner, name calling and making assumptions to prove a point are just unecessary that's all. It's funny how these things keep coming back to what Ron spoke about...wish I could find that thread again... Where everything has to be put into a for/against construct when the issue is something entirely different.

You changed the subject title, extracting out the unneeded, which was good, but then you put words back into his mouth by this, the new title here: [i]Joel Osteen doesn't believe John 14:6[/i] and I had to chuckle... [i]it's better than the former[/i] ;-) But it's still a presumption to make a point, maybe he does believe it, maybe he doesn't, maybe he chickened out under pressure, it's all speculation. It's one thing to deal with what was said, something else to that which was not. See what I mean?

But as to the [i]content[/i] and the whole of this sort of teaching, certainly would have very much a problem with most things I have heard from this ministry. Have watched his father on past occasions and usually have had a rather sinking feeling on the rare times I have come across this, my wife likes him and I can see where many do, but you are right in that this is very far from the scriptures in the over extending of what our lives are to be as Christians. It's way out of balance amongst other problems.

The biggest disparity I have seen in so many ministries is just the dishonesty in dealing with the [i]whole[/i] counsel of God, [i]all[/i] that scripture teaches. Instead there are these 'specialist' or concentrated area's that build whole doctrines and churches around themes or just one small, narrow corridor of thinking.

We err in going the opposite extreme sometimes by wanting everyone to conform to our own way's of ministry (Don't get me wrong here, I am going off into generalities again) and then we are right back into the whole for/against mode.

Something that I find great about this site is that it can pull from many different streams that come out from the the core of just 'normal' Christianity without making it 'denominational', leaglistic, whatever stereotype we are want to put it into. Hope it always stays that way, impossible to narrow it into a corner.

But for all that, I doubt for instance if we were to build a church around the motif of say The Voice of the Martyrs, that it would ever become a Mega Church, not enough happiness to draw anybody to that....


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Mike Balog

 2005/7/11 10:39Profile









 Re: Not the issue

Well.. I appreciate your post here, Mike. I know what you say is true. Frankly I'm weary from this discussion. So no more imput from me on this. Osteen did deny John 14:6... at least by ommission. I stand on that. And I stand behind my assertion that Mr. Osteen knew that question was coming... King has been asking that question of preachers for 2 decades. Either that, or Osteen is an extremely naive guy.

Anyway... I'm moving on and forward... on to other things. With the exception of one poster on this thread, I have taken note of everyone's thoughts ... and I will do my best to express myself more clearly.

Krispy

 2005/7/11 11:14
MrBillPro
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 Re:

I guess us that attend Lakewood Church it hits a little closer to home, but I also realize we all have a right to express our opinions, but regardless of whatever he said, don't we have the duty as Christians to forgive and forget and move on? by the way what ever happened to forgiving and forgeting are they still around? haven't heard much from them to lately. :-P


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Bill

 2005/7/11 12:14Profile









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Osteen hasnt sinned against me, so there is nothing for me to forgive him for. I dont hate the man... I dont have ought against him. I just dont want to see people be deceived into thinking that they can get to heaven any ol' way they want... there is only ONE way to God, thru Jesus Christ. Mr. Osteen said he did not know if you can get to heaven outside of Christianity. Jesus knew.. and He stated it as clearly as it could possibly be stated. And people ought to know what he said to the [b]entire world[/b]... and why it was wrong.

I have to ask... how many false teachings does a teacher have to teach before he is a false teacher? Joel Osteen subscribes and propogates the Word of Faith doctrine, which is heretical to the core. Tho I should have tempered my words on the other thread... the fact is he is a false teacher... [b]and should be exposed as such... publicly.[/b] Just the fact that so many people on here have jumped to his defense justifies him being exposed. Yes, I crossed the line with a few of my words... but it doesnt negate the fact that he is one in a loooong line of false WOF teachers.

Sorry if you disagree Bill... I'm not coming against you. Honest.

Krispy

 2005/7/11 13:25
ravin
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"... I dont have ought against him. "







He as a leader has more responsibility and more is expected of him by the Father.
If he don't know how to get to heaven or what get's you to hell. What qualifys him as a guide, to take you are me anywhere?

 2005/7/11 13:32Profile









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If he don't know how to get to heaven or what get's you to hell. What qualifys him as a guide, to take you are me anywhere?



Amen... someone finally gets it.

Krispy

 2005/7/11 13:34
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The Bible clearly teaches that ALL men may be saved, and the only way to Heaven is by faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary. Salvation is not determined by good works, baptism,your pastor, church membership or by any other personal work. If you are depending on these things to get you to Heaven, you are not going! Jesus Christ said himself in John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth and the life; no man cometh unto the Father but by me." Your eternal destiny was not decided for you before your birth or at the time of it. Salvation is a personal matter, and it is something you must make sure of before your death in order to claim Heaven as your home.[b] Salvation is a personal matter[/b]


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Bill

 2005/7/11 14:28Profile
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KrispyKrittr wrote:
Sorry if you disagree Bill... I'm not coming against you. Honest.Krispy



And I sincerly believe your not, but is there really any Pastor that we know of that has not said or done something that we could pick apart if we wanted to? just find one and post his name here and I bet after a little research on the "world wide web" we could dig up something I just was not "Born To Dig". :-P
P.S.
O I lied a bit "I Dig Jesus" :-?


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Bill

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