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BranchinVINE
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 Re: Proof of Discipleship


Disciples are those who glorify God the Father by bearing much fruit.

John 15:8 –
My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples.


We can only bear much fruit by abiding in Christ and Christ in us.

John 15:5 –
I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.


Therefore, disciples are those who are abiding in Christ and Christ in them.


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Jade

 2018/11/24 8:39Profile
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by this shall all men know that you are my disciples, by the love you have one toward another. Just to add to your description.


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D.Miller

 2018/11/24 17:10Profile
BranchinVINE
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The love that we must have is not fallen human love that falls short and fails. The love that we must have in us is that Divine Love with which the Father loves the Son.

John 17:26 –
and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.


Only God can give us His Love. It is not in man and cannot be produced by any work of man. It is the fruit of the Holy Spirit who dwells in us.

Gal. 5:22-23 –
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.


When we are abiding in Christ and Christ in us, God’s own Life and Love will flow into us and fill us just as the life and goodness flows unceasingly from the vine into the branch and fills up the branch.



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Therefore, disciples are those who are abiding in Christ and Christ in them and by this union with Christ are producing the fruit of Divine Love through the agency of the indwelling Holy Spirit .


1 John 4:7 --
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.


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Jade

 2018/11/24 19:47Profile
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John 1:12-13

But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Being a christian does not mean sinless perfection, but a child of God naturally desires to clear away from sin.

Although not attainable in our mortal bodies, yet we strive, aim, and repent toward perfection. We are continually purged of sins and ungodly character.

We may stumble and get sidetracked but we keep gravitating back to the grace of God unto our final redemption.

 2018/11/26 9:36Profile
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And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the **disciples** were first called **Christians** in Antioch.
Acts 11:26


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Todd

 2018/11/26 14:27Profile
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 Re: actually

Actually in Jn 13:35 the Greek usage the the word love is used as brotherly love and denotes an action on our part, a volition of our will to actively walk or do love.

I think what I see so much in the Pentecostal/charismatic movement is people wanting The Holy Spirit to do for/through them what God wants them to do and is inherent in all human beings. That little thing called Choice.


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D.Miller

 2018/11/26 17:37Profile
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If someone who claims to be a christian and yet he does not forsake sin nor honor God, then no doctrine will save him.

 2018/11/26 18:10Profile
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Don't let any doctrine about choice or freewill stand before us and the Lord. Let's just do what the bible tells us to do.

We will be accountable for whatever choices and actions we did. No one is perfect, so let's keep our hearts repentant and ourselves fully dependent on the grace of God.

 2018/11/26 18:36Profile
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 Re: Jn 13:35 love=AGAPE

God Himself is the ONLY source of AGAPE. Unless a person is indwelt by AGAPE he could never express it. That is impossible. God abides in the Christian and the Christian abides in God. God is love and the Christian abides in love. This is a LIVING and active love that never ceases and just keeps unfolding.


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Vern

 2018/11/26 18:55Profile
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Greek is pretty exacting, there are I believe 4 different meanings for agape, the type you rendered here isn’t what you think it is. In that scripture it’s more in line with brotherly love. Regardless I’m not here to parse languages and on this subject let it mean to you what ever you want it to mean. I don’t have the energy or patience to argue over words.


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