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lwpray
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 A Wake up call




I have today been introduced to a generation far beyond my own. Two of my daughter’s friends have been visiting us today, bringing their offspring to be marvelled at. I did not feel old, but challenged to the utmost!
I saw these two girls grow up. I saw them grow up, praying them through harsh difficulties. Now they act as grownups with the responsibility for a new generation.

What is our message to this coming generation?
Are we bringing them a signal which communicates complacency to be the general rule? Are we telling them to search for quick remedies to apply to the pain connected to life as it presents itself to all of us? What are the common rules to be presented to these young girls and their offspring to be used in the situations coming up provoking them to decisions as to what is true and what is proper conduct?
I believe this is what lies at the core of what a true awakening is all about.
Lars W.


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What is our message to this coming generation?


Great question Lars, I believe that as a young person in my church, I have benefited much by talking to the older elders and people in the church on spiritual matters. I especially benefited from conversing and praying with Glyn Owen, who was a minister in the 1980's at Knox Presbyterian Church which I attend.

On the other side, meeting some of the older members of the church over the last 7 years, I have felt and sensed that they are praying so much for the youth but are feeling like they aren't intresting spiritually, etc. So I think both sides: youth and older people of the church need to make there intentions of guidance and seeking clear. I wish that the older people would go out of there way and try discipling and talking with younger believers in the faith. We have so much to learn from the older generation. And the older generation has so much to gain from the enthusiam and determination of the youth. May God grant both sides come to a middle ground, that this next generation may not lose the heritage and depth in God that the previous generation came to!


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 2003/10/21 21:21Profile
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 Re: Secular is moving further away from Christianity


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As secular culture has moved further and further away from Christianity, it has become increasingly necessary to change the traditional evangelistic approach in order to communicate the Gospel. On the whole, we can't earn an opportunity to be taken seriously when talking about Jesus or God until we have connected with people on issues they are already interested in. We have to earn the right to be heard. In the not too distant past, there was a time when most of those who weren't card-carrying Christians at least had an understanding of the claims of Christianity, and assented to its view of the world and its morality, even if they didn't have an active faith themselves. The situation is now completely different: Christian values are competing with a vast array of other competing values, and people are either ignorant of the basics of Christianity or misunderstand them. In the West we have reverted to a pagan culture which is comparable with the first-century Gentile Romano/Greek world that the first Christians found themselves in. Jesus' own ministry was to the House of Israel, and though he had a few significant 'evangelistic' encounters with Gentiles, he never left the environs of Judea, Galilee, Samaria and Decapolis. In contrast, he commanded his disciples to take the Gospel to the ends of the earth. That meant that his disciples would have to tackle evangelism in a different way to preaching the Gospel in the Jewish monotheistic context they had been used to. However, much of Acts features the apostles going to Jewish communities in the pagan world before reaching out beyond that. Therefore, there aren't too many examples in the Bible of how the Early Church evangelized the Gentile world, but we know from history that they certainly succeeded. However, the Apostle Paul's sermon at Athens on 'the unknown God' is perhaps the best example we have of the kind of evangelism that we now have to engage in, in our own post-Christian culture. We can see two important points from Paul's Athenian speech: Paul started where the Athenians 'were at'. He took one of their own beliefs/interests and used it as a starting place to explain the Gospel - a bridge from their world to the Gospel. He also went to where the cultural leaders were - the Areopagus - rather than asking them to come to the Jewish synagogue. These two points explain CPO's approach, and that of many other evangelistic agencies, and we're surely not the first. Most of our directly evangelistic literature is designed to link to an interest that people already have, and ideally it is used not to invite people to a normal church service but to an event designed to link to those interests too. To take an example, one of our most successful genres of evangelistic literature has been sport-related - successful not only in terms of numbers of items being used, but in terms of reaching people with no or little previous interest in Christianity. Our 1998 World Cup booklet contained 75% purely football interest articles, with only 25% Christian content. It was a gift that was useful to the football fan, met their interests, and genuinely celebrated football with them. At the same time, it used their interests to introduce them to people involved in football - but who also have a Christian faith, and then to explain why. The most successful use of the booklet was when churches put on football 'clinics', showed World Cup games on big screens and invited fans to watch with them, or arranged other football related events. In that way, Christians were entering their world, their territory, instead of expecting them to come into the Christian 'world' of normal church in the first instance. Another example would be our tract about the film 'Titanic'. Capitalizing on the success of that film, the tract explained the story of someone who was actually on the Titanic in real life, and how that Christian gave his life to save another. The similarity with Christ giving his life to save us was then explored. This again was very successfully used by churches. Our posters too have taken media interest subjects and used them to spark thought about Christianity, whether that be major movies, well-known TV adverts, or whatever. For the Internet, the parallels are obvious. A site about Christianity will only attract those already searching or interested in faith. For those whose interests lie elsewhere, Christians should be developing web-sites that connect with those interests, and then bring in the relevance of Christianity to those interests. There will be accusations that we are 'tricking' people - but is it dishonest? People are free to leave a site and surf somewhere else if they get turned off. It is no different to an advertiser using your interests to make you want their product, except in our case only the Holy Spirit can really activate interest in our product - we just have to provide the bridge for people to walk across. Of course, this isn't the only method of evangelism that works, but it is one that becomes increasingly important as antagonism to 'traditional religion' grows in our society. Paul famously became 'all things to all men in order to reach some' - we must do the same, without compromising the message. Jesus' two parables about banquets (Matt. 22 and Luke 14) involved people being invited to a banquet, who didn't come. So the host told his servants to 'go out' into the streets and bring the outcasts in, rather than those who might have been expected to want to come. In the same way, we must go out of our Christian sub-culture and into the prevailing culture to meet people where they are at, 'on the street', with an invitation to a banquet of life. To ensure that we can make good 'bridges', not ones that will fall down, we need to be as familiar as possible with contemporary culture. There's nothing worse than trying to be 'trendy' and failing because you're 'out of date'. The need is to keep your finger on the pulse of what interests the target group you are trying to reach. It's so easy to get so wrapped up in Christian activities and terminology that we lose our ability to communicate to non-Christians. Surveys show that many new Christians lose their circle of non-Christian friends, yet we know that the most successful evangelism is friendship evangelism! Keeping up-to-date with current affairs is essential for finding relevant subjects for creating 'bridge-building' evangelistic material. Much political and social news has a moral dimension which presents opportunities to bring in the Christian message, and to which the Christian faith has the ultimate answers. But it mustn't just be a 'the Bible says' type approach because we are dealing with a post-Biblical generation that respects no authority, least of all traditional religious authority. We need to demonstrate the wisdom of a particular teaching from the Bible before presenting the source itself. The skill of apologetics is needed like never before! It is essential to keep in touch by maintaining non-Christian friendships, but also to immerse ourselves in the secular media - reading newspapers, magazines, watching TV and films, and increasingly, surfing the Net, etc. Here at CPO I keep an up-to-date file on a range of moral/social/ethical subjects from current affairs, plus testimonies from well-known people, quotations from secular people that may prove a Christian point (little do they know!), plus files on a range of current 'hot' issues like genetics, the environment, Internet, or whatever seems to be making the news regularly, so that when a need to write on something like this occurs in the future I already have some relevant source material. On a personal note, outside of work I also periodically write a 'Christian comment' in a local newspaper, which keeps me looking out for what people are interested in, so I can then write on a topical subject. This requires effort and time, and sometimes what we have to watch or read may not be what we enjoy, it may be distasteful and not exactly filling our minds with 'whatever is noble, whatever is pure' etc. So we have to keep our critical faculties open, and be careful not to absorb secular values ourselves, whilst attempting to understand and stay familiar with them. But one thing is certain - if we don't do this, we will end up being unable to relate to non-Christians. In fact, in the past, the majority of Christians who have been in the faith for more than a few years have probably become incapable of being effective evangelists because they have so little in common with non-Christians. This was partly due to the 'come out from them and be ye separate' mentality which prevailed in some evangelical denominations in past decades - where going to theaters, cinemas, pubs, clubs, etc. was 'worldly' and a sin in itself. They seemed to forget that Jesus was accused (falsely) of being a drunkard and a sinner because he himself mixed with sinners and went to their homes. He was loved by the sinners despite being holy himself. It was the religious that despised him. It's a case of we need to be 'in the world, but not of it'. That's real 'separation', real holiness.

 2003/10/22 8:11Profile
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Yes, it is critical to meet people where they are and speak to their individual needs/person. I was witnessed to by two different people in two very different ways. The first person told me what I already knew and wanted to accept but was unable to believe. The rationalization goes something like "it worked for you and I am happy for you, but it didn't/doesn't work that way for me".

The second person to witness to me saw the same crack in my door (I wanted to believe, but was horribly confused by the inconsistencies in todays churchs). This person listened to what I was saying, and spoke to the person I am, which at that time was a Pagan philosophy buff who believed in God but not in Jesus Christ. The words that hit home were something like "No other philosopher in the history of the world has had more influence or impact than Jesus Christ". I was absolutely stunned! All I could say was "You're right!" There was no way to argue with this brother's point, so I began to pray within the next couple of days. Those prayers were answered too, and my eyes began to open. I prayed for protection from a spiritual problem I had been having for almost a year, and I prayed for answere to my questions. I have been delivered from the "things" that were harrassing me, and slowly but surely my understanding of God's Truth is developing (when it comes to misleading ideas and less than obedient Christians, it really is a wilderness out there).

I see a lot of churchs out there that practice Humanism. All they have to offer is what "feels good" as in entertainment, while the Holiness of The Lord finishes last if at all, as in "God is only as good He makes you feel" or something like that...

I really like the sermons presented here, and I have sought out David Wilkerson's web site for answers to some of my toughest questions. Of course for every question I find an answer to, there are more unanswered -- God's way of making sure I pay attention :-)

This site is a really great resource. Thanks for having it here for all to learn from.

Meg

 2003/12/21 9:37Profile
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Hi Meg,

A warm welcome to you! Appreciate your candid comments and

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(when it comes to misleading ideas and less than obedient Christians, it really is a wilderness out there).

sadly is all too true. I fear for and, come to think of it, should be praying for the new believers trying to navigate through the forest.

Hope you are built up in your faith here.
Glad to have you amongst us.

Mike


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