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 The seven mountain mandate is antibiblical

The idea that there is seven mountains that the church has to conquer the mountains of entertainment, government and others is not only not biblical .

The Bible speaks of the opposite

Matthew 24
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. note

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. note

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. note

There is not any groundig for this in the scriptures and I cannot find verses that the church will conquer the world before Jesus returns as completly unbiblblical

2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, note

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. note

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

What we notice in this passage is that the Antichrist will be destroyed by Jesus return , in Matt 24 we notice the world will get worse and worse until Jesus return

There is no ground in the bible for the seven mountain mandate




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Dominic Shiells

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 Re: The seven mountain mandate is antibiblical

//There is no ground in the bible for the seven mountain mandate //

Perhaps not, but there is a mandate to go into all the world to preach the gospel and the seven areas are clearly part of the world.

Would you rather have the educational system infiltrated by Christians or pagans?


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Todd

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The thing is the message in the bible is to preach the gospel not to infiltrate these seven areas , I would rather have christians preach the gospel rather than using worldly methods to infiltrate the culture
I live in the UK we have a secular education system , this doctrine goes against the whole fact that Jesus will come to save this world rather than a triumphant as places like Iran , Afghanistan, North Korea , eritria , Sudan , Pakistan in these countries this westernised American doctrine does not work and it is not biblical
In places like Iran where persecution is extreme more Muslims have come to know Jesus
I find this doctrine abhorrent to what the Bible says


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Dominic Shiells

 2018/5/7 14:42Profile
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Does London still have a Muslim mayor?

prov 29:2 When the righteous are in authority the people rejoice,but when the wicked rule, the people mourn.

We all know ( not happy about it!) that France and England will soon be completely run by Islam.

Let's see if we can have revival without giving the reins of our nation to allah!

We know the kingdom of God is not 'earthly' but we are to occupy until He comes.

Breathe on us Oh Lord!! amen

Rusty


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Russell

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We know the kingdom of God is not 'earthly' but we are to occupy until He comes.

Breathe on us Oh Lord!! amen

Chapter and verse from the Bible as there is no biblical verse that backs up the idea of the seven mountain mandate, the Bible does not state that we shall occupy the earth until.jesis return .

It actually states the opposite

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be

Matt 24

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

The Bible talks immediately after the tribulation of those days it does not talk about a glorious church that has occupied the world welcoming Jesus back , the Bible talks about this world getting world getting so bad as in the times of Noah , Noah and his family were the only righteous people among a massive population of wicked people , God saved them through the ark

This is even stated in the early church fathers

Our nation was not turned around by trying to influence the world in the seven mountains but through the preaching of the gospel that turned this nation around from savages to a civilised nation

This is what is so bad about the seven mountain mandate it Denys the power of the gospel that turned the world upside and uses worldly methods and it is another gospel , one which has no power to save sinners


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And again He said, “To what shall I liken the kingdom of God? It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal till it was all leavened.”
Luke 13:20-21

Dominic, Christians are agents of a foreign government whose mission is to infiltrate and subvert. Of course the method is the gospel.

I don’t exactly see why you think it is a bad thing that Christians infiltrate societal institutions. The alternative is to not have Christians in those institutions, which would seem worse, at least to me.


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If I am correct, I believe that the 7 mountain mandate view is accompanied by the belief that the earth will be conquered and subdued by the gospel and then Christ will return to a peaceful globe. This view seems to run counter to scriptures such as Daniel 12:1-2 and Matthew 24:21 which describe a time of unequaled trouble and tribulation that ends in Christ's second coming and the resurrection of the dead.


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David Winter

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I know nothing about the specifics of a 7 mountain mandate that David mentions.

When I 1st heard about it several years ago it was simply a strategy for influencing societal institutions like education and arts. I never heard that Illuminati-ish version. Perhaps there are different versions of the same idea.


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Brother David,
You sir are correct- although it could be said “based on” the belief...
it’s Dominion-ism repackaged.
A top down purging of all non Christians in anything is demonstrably counter to the great command... Love the Lord your God with all, and your neighbor as yourself and it doesn’t say take over and purge all the unbelievers?? That’s Islam
We are His body and I def haven’t heard the head (Christ) call us to do a thing like this nor can I find anything even remotely similar in scripture.


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https://www.generals.org/rpn/the-seven-mountains/

Cindy Jacobs, a well known prayer/intercessor in charismatic circles has outlined the 7 mountains or spheres that the prayer warriors are to intercede to God for drastic changes in those areas.

Aside from eschatological differences ( which we all agree is not an essential ) these Christians are attempting to seek God for inroads into these cultural mind-shaping spheres of influence.

Taken at face value it is really difficult to understand why anyone here who claims to value Christian ethics, Christian freedoms, Christian teaching, Christian living, Christian worship would seem to poopoo these folks from praying and seeking God to make changes.

I don't understand why you would not want your children offered a Christian perspective on the world rather than straight humanist-atheist perspective?
Why would we want our governments without the wisdom and influence of godly men and the word of God to help them make decisions, right now, we have lunatics which we all voted in steering our nation into a moral hell.

I for one, would love to see multitudes of Muslims come to Christ versus the few. But it seems their zeal for souls and their zeal for change and their zeal for prayer has not passed the litmus test for some of you.

Outside of Illuminati gossip and disagreements over eschatology there is no substantive word against it.

Make no assumptions about my allegiance to Cindy Jacobs or to some connection with the illuminati, what is there about this that is so appalling?

I recognize there is no explicit scripture to validate praying for these 7 areas of influence, but there is no validation in scripture to validate our SI discussion board on the internet either. Nor is there any explicit scripture validation that unless you are pre-tribulational rapture you are under suspicion of false prayers, false church growth.

I would think in our 'revival' praying we would ask God that he would turn around our culture from the cliff-jump its heading for. But maybe your revival is for leaving things as they are?

Please bring some definitive proof this is not the work of God.


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