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ThyKingCome
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Hey brother Todd,

Really good question. Our men's pastor had some songs prepared beforehand and he had his guitar with him. He just sat there and waited for the Lord to move him.

One more thing, I realized I goofed and said Ephesians 19 earlier, haha. It's supposed to be Acts 19 when Paul was with the Ephesians.

-Kevin


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Brother Kevin

 2018/5/3 12:47Profile









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Wonderful testimony brother, such a breath of fresh air, even on this thread, to hear your testimony. Glory be to God. God shall be found by those who seek Him, Amen!!! .....bro Frank

 2018/5/3 13:39
TMK
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Ok one more question- did he pick songs that everyone knew without having the words in front of them?

Sorry for asking these questions of minutiae but I am curious how things like this work from a practical standpoint. I realize every situation is different.


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Todd

 2018/5/3 13:42Profile









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Todd, not sure if you remember older Pentecostal churches when they they would have , usually an older woman, playing the piano or organ who seemed to know every hymn ever sung and if someone started a hymn she/he could accompany then as the rest of the congregation started. In the Welsh chapel in Moriah in the village of Lougher where the Welsh revival started, someone would begin to sing a song and then everyone would join in. Spontaneous and led by the Holy Spirit, no salaried "worship leaders," there :) .........bro Frank

 2018/5/3 13:44
ThyKingCome
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No problem brother. I didn't even think of that! Yes, they were songs we have sung before or are somewhat known. Perhaps not all the men knew each one, but at least the majority. Now that I recall, I was facing away from the front, but there may have been words too. If there were no words, and all the songs were new or unknown, then that certainly makes it hard for others to join in.


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Brother Kevin

 2018/5/3 14:41Profile
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Frank-

Never experienced that but do recall aunts and uncles and grandparents gathered around a piano at family get togethers and singing old hymns. Precious memory for sure.


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Todd

 2018/5/3 15:21Profile









 Re: The sign gifts have fallen into disuse.

It is well for us to consider here that religious people are prone to select a favorite Bible doctrine or truth and to hold to that one truth at the expense of other basic tenets. We may overemphasize important truths so as to obscure other important truth which may actually disappear as a result. This is what I mean by a truth disappearing-it falls into disuse and therefore is easily forgotten. I would illustrate this.

Suppose there is one key on the piano that is not properly attached and it gives forth no sound when it is struck. The pianist is sure to be wincing when he strikes that key and nothing happens. If you would photograph the keyboard, that key would be in its proper place in the picture, but it will not produce any sound no matter how hard you touch it. That is an illustration of what I mean by a basic doctrine of the Christian faith that has fallen into disuse, so that it is not longer talked about or thought about or preached about. If you go to the book of discipline , the statement of doctrine, you will find it still in its place because it will say that we do firmly hold this truth.

But it no longer plays-it is no longer heard. It has no emphasis and no power because it is slurred over and forgotten. This is how a basic Bible truth may fall into disuse because certain doctrines have been overemphasized to the obscuring of others. Then, finally some prophet of God has to come and reassert the forgotten truths and reemphasize and trumpet them forth. That person be considered a heretic because that segment of Bible truth has been obscured for generations. But in the midst of grumbling, the prophet of God keeps persisting until the church awakes, readopts that truth, so that a sense of life comes as if it were raised from the dead. (A.W.Tozer)

Tozer is here speaking in profound terms. Luther would be an example of this, he did not invent a new doctrine when he announced that we are justified by faith alone and not of works. He rediscovered it and presented it to a church that had long ago forgotten this most fundamental and vital aspect of what it means to be saved. Many centuries before this most basic and fundamental truth was lost in religiosity and liturgy.

Century after century Christendom slowly drifted away, each generation losing something from the previous generation until they were totally adrift from the truth. Once they were totally adrift from the truth then more centuries past affirming and confirming their error. Then comes Luther and as he hammered that nail into the door, the whole of Christendom shook. A bloody revolution then ensued as the keepers of the error and the status quo fought with all of their might against this upstart priest of no account who was challenging their religion and their liturgy. I believe a similar revolution would have to take place in order to rediscover the truths of 1 Cor 14 and how we interact in gatherings. The sign gifts and their purpose of edifying the saints and the unsaved and the unlearned have fallen into disuse and have been forgotten.........bro Frank

 2018/5/5 13:22









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This was a report I got from the piece I posted from another venue............Bro Frank

To the glory of the LORD alone - we have been experiencing this participatory full church community and expression since 2008 - we would be ten years later this year! It is actually better experienced than ever described when we allow Holy Spirit to do His work on earth. When Jesus Christ said He will build His church, He sure knew what He was saying!

This can be done anywhere. The main and only requirement is to have the Holy Spirit in those so gathered together and for that Holy Spirit to be allowed to be among them when they meet. No single person or even a select group is required to guide and lead. Everyone can and should participate voluntarily and none is forced or compelled to do anything. It is beautiful to see the Father freely worshipped in Spirit and in Truth and see His community of brothers and sisters who desire to do His will emerge. The Spirit of God is so capable to lead and to add to the group as the Father wishes. As many as are led by the Spirit are the children of God. It has been an incredible experience and we have all been growing and maturing together in Him.

For example - two Sundays ago, we had such a strong move of His Spirit in our midst for two hours where He used the children to teach us the adults the word of God to resolve questions that the adults raised. It was so beautiful to see and learn really at the feet of the Master as He used the little ones to bring His wisdom and understanding to us all. When He is allowed to be the real Head of His Body, He knows how to get every member to supply as needed. Those who desire to be His disciples must truly die to our selves and deny our selves before we can even take up our cross daily and then follow Him. Such meetings led solely by His Spirit facilitate the process of death to self beautifully with minimum collateral damage!

 2018/5/7 12:17





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