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Joshua99
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 What isn't "Speaking against God's annointed"

Is opposing a pastor or teacher, who are handling the Word of God improper, touching the Lord's annointed? If they are interputing the scripture from saying what is plainly written, to something watered down or contrary to sound doctrine, and you take a stand against this, would that be considered touching God's annointed? Where are the boundaries in this?


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Bryan

 2005/6/27 8:39Profile









 Re: What isn't "Speaking against God's annointed"

Thats a good question and subject that is often brought up by pastors more than saints. I know that brother Ron can elaborate on this more than I, but were not all the nation of Israel "God's anointed"?

Pastors bring this up to intimdate congregations from questioning anything that has to do with position or authority. Unfortuanately for them, Jesus was not about position. He was about ministry. Oh that they would humble themselves before God and rely on Him for validation of their ministry rather than the approval, forced or otherwise, of the saints.

In Him,

Lahry

 2005/6/27 8:46
Joshua99
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Yes, and amen! I want the lord's approval and valadation. To serve Jesus completely, as I sat in church, wanting so to speak out the truth, when my pastor would say "If we do not have the fruit of the Spirit, who is it affecting or hurting" in me was the loud shout "the Lord, God". He said to my dismay the people, our brothers, sisters :(. This is true BUT second to the Lord! We are to serve and live for HIm first! For His good pleasure!
I'm afraid that I'm dealing with a man-pleaser, rather than seeking to please God, and yes this pastor has said many things like this before, taken the scriptures and forming it to say God wants us happy, we are all sinners, so lets understand each other,. because of our flesh-kind of rubbish! Where are the REAL Men and Women of God?? Let me know that I may have some hope..


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Bryan

 2005/6/27 14:11Profile
Nellie
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 Re: What isn't "Speaking against God's annointed"

Every one who says Lord, Lord shall not enter the Kingdom of God, but only those who do the will of God, our Father.
I wrestle, and continue to wrestle with this Scripture, but I trust Almighty God to show us, all of His Children, what this Scripture truly means. He will do this according to His Holy Spirit that lives in us.
Sometimes I don't want to see the error of these Pastors and Teachers, because I like them.
Can only relay what God has shown me.
I'd rather have Jesus!
God Bless you all.
Nellie :-)

 2005/6/27 14:41Profile
PreachParsly
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Let me know that I may have some hope..


If you in Fayetteville Arkansas I know a good church...but I see your not...

We have been attacking humanism like a mad dog in the last month. We are trying to get all of the humanism out of us. It is a process for sure... there is sooo much of it out there.


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Josh Parsley

 2005/6/27 15:57Profile
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 Re: What isn't "Speaking against God's annointed"

What isn't "Speaking against God's annointed"?

Answer: The Bible doesn't say anything that I know of that specifically says that you can't "speak against" God's anointed.

Now it DOES say that you shouldn't "touch" them. Look at the context of David and Saul. David was in the position to KILL Saul. But then look at what he did the next day. He stood on the hill and SHOUTED his grievance before the whole camp of Saul. And stated that he refused to touch (or kill) God's annointed when given the chance. There's the context.

Just remember one thing. Rebuke not an elder, but entreat him as a father and the elder women as mothers. Follow that rule and you should be just fine. Let God use you.

RT

 2005/6/27 16:37Profile









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We must first ask ourselves: Who are the Lord's annointed?

When Benny Hinn uses that phrase to intimidate people into not speaking against him, I always think to myself "Benny... I'm not touching the Lord's annointed... I'm touching you, buddy!"

I tend to think that if someone says they have the "annointing"... they probably dont.

It's like someone who wants to tell you how humble they are. If someone is truly annointed they dont have to go around telling everyone about it.

If the football team I'm coaching is a championship team, we dont have to tell everyone all season long... we proove it on the field.

Put up or shut up, I always say.

Krispy

 2005/6/27 17:09
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We are all the Lord's anointed. No man is beyond correction and accountability. The Scriptures teach that we are all to submit to one another in the fear of the Lord, this includes those in leadership submitting to the rest of the congregation.

With that said though, we should be especially carefull of stoning people with our words, especially those in leadership positions.


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Jimmy H

 2005/6/27 17:47Profile









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we should be especially carefull of stoning people with our words, especially those in leadership positions.



I agree with you. There is a proper way to approach someone in leadership in the local church. There is a scriptural way.

Someone like Benny Hinn tho... a babbling heretic, is not in leadership in the Body of Christ. There is good reason to believe he isnt even in the Body of Christ, but thats not the issue. When a heretic arises, it is important that they are exposed publicly because what they teach is public, and it effects many. Many are deceived by these people today... deceived straight into hell in many cases.

Paul said to [b]mark[/b] and avoid those who teach false doctrine, and he wrote against some of these false teachers of his day and named names. Why name names? Well... I think the answer to that question is self evident.

Krispy

 2005/6/28 9:01
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Here's a good thing to think about, yes there is an unction (also called anointing) that comes upon us for service i believe that with all my heart. We have earthly authority and we should as scripture says, respect that authority. Truly though we are "in not of" so our ultimate allegience has to be to OUR king, our Anointed one. However, the anointing that we have is, in my best definition, the result of having the anointed one inside. Now if i attack the "anointed" who am i really attacking? But let me ask you this, is the action in question indeed something consistent with the character of Christ? If not then how can we call that anointed? If it does not line up with the Word and is not consisten with God's integrity and character, then it is not of Him. We called that which is not so. i agree with Krispy, if you got it you got it and you don't have to keep reaffriming that you are. Don't hear what I'm not saying, I love my pastor and there is an unction on his life, i respect what is has and is doing for God and would never dream of hurting him. However, there has to be a line and there has to abe accountability and wether it is to me or to a senior Bishop or to God alone, there has to be a space of correctablity even for those anointed--for if there is not then one of the main reasons for the word according to Timothy is lost (rebkue, reproof and instruction in righteousness)just my thought.


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