| anger can be sin.|
Col. 3:1-8, "If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth."
Eph. 4;22-31, "That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. "Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil. Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice."
| 2005/6/29 13:26|
| Re: anger can be sin.|
Be ye angry, and sin not
I am not saying it is ok to excuse the outworking of anger, or, to suggest because anger is a normal response to certain kinds of provokation, therefore, for instance, provokation is ok as long as it doesn't push the other person's anger beyond what they can contain.
Both in this and in the exhortation to fathers not to provoke their children to anger, it appears that the response of 'my anger is now aroused', (in the face of provokation), [b]is a normal one[/b]. I wish to draw your attention to this.
| 2005/6/29 16:59|
Dorcas, I have to stand with freecd, and this is not opposing you in anyway. In this discussion, I believe Freecd is speaking from a "Trust leading to Rest" position the Lord has called all of his saints to come to, which is His work in us by Faith. There has been many times recently I wanted to speak out and correct what has been going on in my church. The anger that had risen up in me, the Spirit of God replaced with a grieving heart, along with patience to suffer this. I have been not permitted to say anything to my elders, over some given issues. Not too many years ago, I would be arguing from the scriptures , point to point showing them the basis of my disagreement with what they are allowing in the church. Anger unchecked and not brought under the Spirit of God's control leads to sin, No different with any area of life, If Jesus Christ is not Lord over it, you and I will be, thereby having our own way...which leads us into the flesh, the result is sin.
| 2005/6/30 8:59||Profile|
| Rest in God.|
Yes I am speaking from a "Trust leading to Rest" position that the Lord has called all of his saints to come to, which is His work in us by Faith.
Resting in God is based on His irrevocable promise to deliver His people from the dominion of sin - through the power of the Holy Ghost! Resting does away with all of our puny efforts to please God through our flesh. It is the end of all our striving to overcome sin, whether through determination, strength, reasoning or any other works of the flesh. In short, resting takes the pressure off of us - and places it all on Him!
| 2005/6/30 11:29|
| Re: Rest in God.|
You are quite right to carry on explaining what you find in scripture on this matter. I too have done a Bible study on anger, and cannot disagree with most of what you've said. If you look back at all my posts, you'll see that at no time have I suggested the scripture is wrong.
Anger unchecked and not brought under the Spirit of God's control leads to sin
Joshua, I agree completely.
However, I maintain it is not [i]wrong in principle[/i] (ie sinful) for a Christian to experience anger. The ability to be angry is one of God's attributes. Therefore, there [i]are times[/i] when it is ok for those in His image, to feel anger. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that anger against sin can be very healing, if it is appropriately directed.
A Christian who is [i]very[/i] angry is not necessarily [i]being[/i] angry [i][b]without a cause[/b][/i]. This is another thing to consider.
I did look up a Strong's definitions version yesterday and noticed that wrath and anger are different. And there is a word which has more to do with temper in the sense of usual disposition (apologies to scholars - this is my take on it) (when it [i]would[/i] be wrong).
| 2005/6/30 15:06|