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 2 Thesselonians 2:3:Why Apostasty is Apostasy & Not the Rapture

http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/rapture-in-2-thessalonians-23

I am doing a critic of this Article here by Thomas Ice who uses this passage as a reference to the rapture.


2 Thessalonians 2New King James Version (NKJV)
The Great Apostasy

2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ[a] had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[b] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God[c] in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He[d] who now restrains will do so until He[e] is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Stand Fast

13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, 17 comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work.
putting things into the text and not exegesis where you read out the Text.

[ 2th.2.3 ] μη [NOT] τις [ANYONE] υμας [YOU] εξαπατηση [SHOULD DECEIVE] κατα [IN] μηδενα [ANY] τροπον [WAY,] οτι [BECAUSE " IT WILL NOT BE "] εαν μη [UNLESS] ελθη [SHALL HAVE COME] η [THE] αποστασια [APOSTASY] πρωτον [FIRST,] και [AND] αποκαλυφθη [SHALL HAVE BEEN REVEALED] ο [THE] ανθρωπος της [MAN] αμαρτιας [OF SIN,] ο [THE] υιος

jos.22.22 ] ο [THE] θεος [GOD] θεος [GOD] εστιν [IS] κυριος [THE LORD] και [AND] ο [THE] θεος [GOD] θεος [GOD] κυριος [THE LORD] αυτος [HE] οιδεν [KNOWS] και [AND] ισραηλ [ISRAEHL] αυτος [HE] γνωσεται [SHALL KNOW] ει [IF] εν [IN] αποστασια [DEFECTION] επλημμελησαμεν [WE TRESPASSED] εναντι [BEFORE] ημας [US] εν [IN] ταυτη [THIS]

2ch.29.19 ] και [AND] παντα [ALL] τα [THE] σκευη [VESSELS] α [WHICH] εμιανεν [DEFILED] αχαζ [ACHAZ] ο [THE] βασιλευς [KING] εν [IN] τη [THE] βασιλεια [KINGDOM] αυτου [HIS] εν [IN] τη [THE] αποστασια [DEFECTION] αυτου [HIS] ητοιμακαμεν [EHTOIMAKAMEN] και [AND] ηγνικαμεν [EHGNIKAMEN] ιδου [BEHOLD] εστιν [IS] εναντιον [BEFORE] του [THE] θυσιαστηριου [ALTAR] κυριου [OF THE LORD]

je.2.19 ] παιδευσει [SHALL CORRECT] σε [YOU] η [THE] αποστασια [DEFECTION] σου [YOU] και [AND] η [THE] κακια [EVIL] σου [YOU] ελεγξει [SHALL REPROVE] σε [YOU] και [AND] γνωθι [KNOW] και [AND] ιδε [SEE] οτι [THAT] πικρον [BITTER] σοι [IN YOU] το [THE] καταλιπειν [TO LEAVE] σε [YOU] εμε [ME] λεγει [SAYS] κυριος [THE LORD] ο [THE] θεος [GOD] σου [YOU] και [AND] ουκ [NO] ευδοκησα [EUDOKEHSA] επι [FOR] σοι [IN YOU] λεγει [SAYS] κυριος [THE LORD] ο [THE] θεος [GOD] σου [YOU]

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What I find so offending about the article below is that Thomas Ice has twisted the Bible as the context is so out of place. He is redefining a word.

When the most simplest of people even a child would understand that in redefinig the word the Bible also says let no man deceive you and that is exactly what thomas ice is doing by redefining the word Apostasy to be used as the word rapture in this passage you have a clear sequence of events

1. You have the apostasy in the church
2. You have the apostasy revealing the AntiChrist
3. You have the Antichrist rebuilding the third temple and then setting himself up as God in the Third Temple
4. You have Jesus Christ returning and destroying the AntiChrist.

them. In classical Greek apostasia meant a political or military rebellion, but in LXX it is used of rebellion against God (e.g. Josh. 22:22), and this became the accepted biblical usage. Paul is saying that in the last times there will be a great uprising of the powers of evil against God (cf. Matt. 24:10ff.; 1 Tim. 4:1–3; 2 Tim. 3:1–9; 4:3–4). It is as though Satan were throwing all his forces into one last despairing effort.

Leon Morris. TNTC 1&2 Thessalonians (Tyndale New Testament Commentaries) (pp. 89-90). Inter-Varsity Press. Kindle Edition.

Irenaeus Against Heresies.

Edition.
The Man apostasy, who speaks strange things against the Most High, shall venture to do unlawful deeds on the earth against us the Christians, who, having learned the true worship of God from the law, and the word which went forth from Jerusalem by means of the apostles of Jesus, have fled for safety to the God of Jacob and God of Israel; and we who were filled with war, and mutual slaughter, and every wickedness, have each through the whole earth changed our warlike weapons,— our swords into ploughshares, and our spears into implements of tillage,— and we cultivate piety, righteousness, philanthropy, faith, and hope, which we have from the Father Himself through Him who was crucified; and sitting each under his vine, i.e., each man possessing his own married wife. For you are aware that the prophetic word says, And his wife shall be like a fruitful vine.’ Now it is evident that no one can terrify or subdue us who have believed in Jesus over all the world. For it is plain that, though beheaded, and crucified, and thrown to wild beasts, and chains, and fire, and all other kinds of torture, we do not give up our confession; but the more such things happen, the more do others and in larger numbers become faithful, and worshippers of God through the name of Jesus. For just as if one should cut away the fruit-bearing parts of a vine, it grows up again, and yields other branches flourishing and fruitful; even so the same thing happens with us. For the vine planted by God and Christ the Saviour is His people. But the rest of the prophecy shall be fulfilled at His second coming. For the expression, He that is afflicted [and driven out],’ i.e., from the world, [implies] that, so far as you and all other men have it in your power, each Christian has been driven out not only from his own property, but even from the whole world; for you permit no Christian to live. But you say that the same fate has befallen your own nation. Now, if you have been cast out after defeat in battle, you have suffered such treatment justly indeed, as all the Scriptures bear witness; but we, though we have done no such [evil acts] after we knew the truth of God, are testified to by God, that, together with the most righteous, and only spotless and sinless Christ, we are taken away out of the earth. For Isaiah cries, Behold how the righteous perishes, and no man lays it to heart; and righteous men are taken away, and no man considers it.’

The Church Fathers. The Complete Ante-Nicene & Nicene and Post-Nicene Church Fathers Collection: 3 Series, 37 Volumes, 65 Authors, 1,000 Books, 18,000 Chapters, 16 Million Words (Kindle Locations 8595-8611). Catholic Way Publishing. Kindle Edition.

The Rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:3
http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/rapture-in-2-thessalonians-23

The distinction to be made between the righteous and the wicked. The future apostasy in the time of Antichrist, and the end of the world 1. Inasmuch, then, as in this world (aioni) some persons betake themselves to the light, and by faith unite themselves with God, but others shun the light, and separate themselves from God, the Word of God comes preparing a fit habitation for both. For those indeed who are in the light, that they may derive enjoyment from it, and from the good things contained in it; but for those in darkness, that they may partake in its calamities. And on this account He says, that those upon the right hand are called into the kingdom of heaven, but that those on the left He will send into eternal fire for they have deprived themselves of all good. 2. And for this reason the apostle says: “Because they received not the love of God, that they might be saved, therefore God shall also send them the operation of error, that they may believe a lie, that they all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but consented to unrighteousness.” For when he (Antichrist) is come, and of his own accord concentrates in his own person the apostasy, and accomplishes whatever he shall do according to his own will and choice, sitting also in the temple of God, so that his dupes may adore him as the Christ; wherefore also shall he deservedly “be cast into the lake of fire:” [this will happen according to divine appointment], God by His prescience foreseeing all this, and at the proper time sending such a man, “that they may believe a lie, that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but consented to unrighteousness;” whose coming John has thus described in the Apocalypse: “And the beast which I had seen was like unto a leopard, and his feet as of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion; and the dragon conferred his own power upon him, and his throne, and great might. And one of his heads was as it were slain unto death; and his deadly wound was healed, and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon because he gave power to the beast; and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto this beast, and who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things, and blasphemy and power was given to him during forty and two months. And he opened his mouth for blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. And power was given him over every tribe, and people, and tongue, and nation. And all who dwell upon the earth worshipped him, [every one] whose name was not written in the book of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any one have ears, let him hear. If any one shall lead into captivity, he shall go into captivity. If any shall slay with the sword, he must be slain with the sword. Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints.” After this he likewise describes his armour-bearer, whom he also terms a false prophet: “He spake as a dragon, and exercised all the power of the first beast in his sight, and caused the earth, and those that dwell therein, to adore the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he shall perform great wonders, so that he can even cause fire to descend from heaven upon the earth in the sight of men,

The Church Fathers. The Complete Ante-Nicene & Nicene and Post-Nicene Church Fathers Collection: 3 Series, 37 Volumes, 65 Authors, 1,000 Books, 18,000 Chapters, 16 Million Words (Kindle Locations 18916-18939). Catholic Way Publishing. Kindle Edition.

To me I find as it says in the passage I do think that people who believe in the rapture are saved and are christian and are brethren. To try and twist a passage which has this very verse in the actual passage

2 Thessalonians 2
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

To me the problem is that people who expect Christ will fall for the Antichrist. The Antichrist and the Devil know the scriptures and know Gods word, The Antichrist will try and bring in a fake millenium, he will try and make a fake Gog and Magog War. He will even try to do a fake rapture of the Church.

Most of the Jewish People are expecting a messiah to come and bring world peace and build the third temple.

They even have plans for it

Time to Wake Up: Make the Dream a Reality!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAZ8zdMCiuQ

The Third Holy Temple Plans Have Begun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2IkxmwkayM&list=PLPtr_UmiMgfy5WzkyI3Nl1r88SPrJE2RU

To me the thing with the Muslims and other things is simply a distraction. Why is it we never question what we have been taught. Does it hold water.

The thing is the whole arguments on this passage actually distracts from the passage as a whole. Grasping at straws to defend a theory which has no basis in reality with the advent of Christians Suffering we have not reached the Tribulation? I do not think I will survive through it.

Matthew 13
The Parable of the Sower Explained

18 “Therefore hear the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”

Why do people use such stupid arguments


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