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savannah
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Identifying marks of antichrist ;


My children, it is the end times, and according to what you have heard that antichrist, The False Messiah comes, already there have been many antichrists, false messiahs, and by this we know that it is the end times. 1 John 2:18

Who is the liar, except the one denying that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one denying the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22

Every spirit that does not confess Jesus Christ came in the flesh, is not of God; and this is that of the antichrist, which ye heard that it is coming, and now is in the world already. 1 John 4:3

For many deceivers have gone out into the world, refusing to confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
2 John 7

Antichrist:

1) Was already present in the 1st century
2) is a liar who denies that Jesus is the promised Messiah
3) denies Jesus is the Son of God and equal with God the Father.
4) denies the incarnation of Messiah Jesus.
5) Is a deceiver
6) Is a spirit
7) Is a person
8) Is more than just one person

The word antichrist is only mentioned 4x.
All 4x are in John's letters.

 2017/11/15 16:35Profile
deltadom
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The problem you have with that is that Revelation was written in 96AD

When Was the Book of Revelation Written
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1552-when-was-the-book-of-revelation-written

3. John, again, in Asia, was banished by Domitian the king to the isle of Patmos, in which also he wrote his Gospel and saw the apocalyptic vision; and in Trajan’s time he fell asleep at Ephesus, where his remains were sought for, but could not be found.

The Church Fathers. The Complete Ante-Nicene & Nicene and Post-Nicene Church Fathers Collection: 3 Series, 37 Volumes, 65 Authors, 1,000 Books, 18,000 Chapters, 16 Million Words (Kindle Locations 95227-95228). Catholic Way Publishing. Kindle Edition.

Domitian was Roman emperor from 81 to 96. He was the younger brother of Titus and son of Vespasian, his two predecessors on the throne, and the last member of the Flavian dynasty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domitian

And the Early Church Father Confirm it !

There was also more than one destruction of Jerusalem, In 135 AD in the Bar Kokhba revolt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt

Israel was changed to Palestine and Jerusalem was changed Aelia Capitolina

There are so many other problems with this view as you cannot view the millenium as allready taking place


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Dominic Shiells

 2017/11/15 16:40Profile
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Antichrist:

1) Was already present in the 1st century
2) is a liar who denies that Jesus is the promised Messiah
3) denies Jesus is the Son of God and equal with God the Father.
4) denies the incarnation of Messiah Jesus.
5) Is a deceiver
6) Is a spirit
7) Is a person
8) Is more than just one person

Problem with that passage is 2 Thes

King James Bible

The Man of Sin

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Because it talks about thy AntiChrist who is destroyed by Christ! another name for the Antichrist is the Beast! It is not as simple as doing a word search as there are a few names for the Antichrist!


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I am curious where/when the terms Beast and Antichrist became synonymous- does anyone know offhand?


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It just became obvious to many that the Beast was a symbolical picture of the Antichrist who was to come. This one to come, the last and greatest eschatological foe the nation would face, was common knowledge and belief in the Hebrew mind. Basic 101.

3 Manifestations of Antichrist:

1) The spirit of Antichrist already present
2) Many antichrists, persons already gone out, in the world
3) The Antichrist (singular) to come. Not a antichrist but "the" Antichrist.

- The man of sin, the son of perdition and lawelessness - II These 2:3.
- The little horn of Daniel - Daniel chs 7-8.
- The willful king - II Thess 2:4 where Paul references Dan 11:36.
- The Beast of Rev who turns his wrath and fury on the Jewish people and the church.

A final physical incarnation of the mystery of iniquity. Satan's grand counterfeit to the mystery of godliness incarnated in Christ.

To be slain at Christ's return - II Thess which is a reference from Isaiah 11:4.

Christ comes again with the sound of a trumpet which is the last trumpet of this age.
The righteous dead are raised and glorified at the last trumpet - I Cor 15:52.
The Antichrist is destroyed.
The coming of Christ - the resurrection of the dead - the destruction of "the" Antichrist - these are three simultaneous events at Christ's coming again at the Day of the Lord.


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