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AbideinHim
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 Would You Stand For the National Anthem?

I am not posting this to be divisive. As a child of God that is a citizen of another Kingdom, if you were at an event where the flag was being raised, and the national anthem was being sung, would you stand?

Does being patriotic to our nation bring us in conflict with our allegiance to Jesus?


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Mike

 2017/9/27 18:43Profile
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 Re: Would You Stand For the National Anthem?

Yes I stand .... and I cannot imagine in light of Romans 13:1-8 (specifically vs7) one could find it being in conflict.

Having said that,
I’m sure we could create scenarios where, through nuance, one could find a conflict- tho (in my understanding) that would require us to force a position or preference upon the text rather than simply being humble and obeying God in a clear and reasonable command.


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Fletcher

 2017/9/27 18:52Profile
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 Re: Would You Stand For the National Anthem?

Brother Mike
I am a believer of Jesus. I am also fervently praying for revival of this nation.. I would stand for the American Flag.. I am a USA citizen and as a citizen of another country I represent JESUS.. Did He not say render to caesar what is do? I also am a daughter of a veteran who suffered in WWII to help keep America Free.
Matthew 22:20-22

20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?

21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.
So yes.. I would stand and also will continue to pray for revival.
in Jesus
sister Frannie


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Frannie

 2017/9/27 18:58Profile
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 Re: Would You Stand For the National Anthem?

No...I haven't stood for the flag in well over 25 years and I'm not going to. I'm not going into the whole thing but when I was in college (I had been Born Again well over 10 years at this point}, I had one epiphany after another (please don't ask). It was like an appointed time where God said "it all has to go". So much so it changed the trajectory of my professional and sociopolitical life. He laid it all out for me. I didn't even pledge a Sorority. Think 2 Timothy 2:2-4. So for me the only flag I will ever be standing for is the blood stained banner one. I can't speak for anyone else but this is my true conviction.

 2017/9/27 19:53Profile









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Whether it is NFL protests, or racism or police brutality, we hear a lot spoken about freedom in our age. Every day we here that we are free to protest, we are free to resist, free to fight back free to express whatever that is on our mind. The following article is solely for Christians whether black or white. It is not for the secular mind which could not possibly even begin to understand what true freedom in Christ means.

As a man born in Scotland, there is a mythological notion about what it means to fight for freedom. It is wrapped up in the psyche of the people and Scotland, in many ways, has become synonymous with freedom, thanks mostly to Hollywood and history. Indeed the declaration of Arbroath was the forerunner, by centuries, to the declaration of Independence. This notion of rising up and throwing off our oppressors is a very glamorous notion. Rebellion and rejection of authority is fundamental to the very essence of what it means to be American and really what it means to be human thanks to the garden of Eden. Shortly after coming to Jesus I had a vision. It was a powerful vision that took my breath away and changed forever my notions of freedom. Here it is...............

"I felt the rush of air rising beneath me, lifting me in the updrafts of His presence up and through the clouds. Suddenly a mountain top appeared, rising majestically through a sea of gray.The mountain trembled and the thunder clapped and I heard Jesus say, ” go.” I flapped my arms effortlessly and soon the mountain was far behind as I flew over rivers and valley’s and great forests of pine. Then I came across a great assembly of men gathered together on a bleak and desolate Scottish moor as the rain began to fall and the wind howled in anguished anticipation. Words of freedom echoed up to the sky above from the ground below. And Jesus said to me "will a man die for freedom? How many men have spilled their blood and hastened their souls to eternal damnation for that which is not even a shadow. These men fought and died not knowing that it is not in the winning or the losing, neither can that which they seek be attained by knife or sword." I flapped my arms once more and suddenly the mists of time rolled back, back, unto the dawning of a different age. Below me, another assembly of men, angry men. These men were not fighting for freedom, they were seeking to destroy it. They shouted,”crucify Him, crucify Him,” and freedom hung in the balance. And all of hell’s fury cheered as the sky grew dark and the lightning flashed and the earth stood still in utter dismay. Would the sun ever rise in the sky again, or had darkness won the day? Then after three days and three nights, from a sea of darkness and gloom, rose majestically, a pure white standard that shattered the darkness forever. Now the white flag signifies surrender, when we surrender our life’s to Jesus, we gain victory from the jaws of defeat and the darkness is destroyed forever."

Jesus shattered my notions of freedom by this vision and word. What a tragedy that men and nations could fight for political freedom, could throw off the shackles of slavery and then die knowing nothing of true freedom. This freedom was given to us, not by men, for what is given by men can be taken by men, no, this freedom that was given to us by God Himself on the bloody battle-field of Calvary of which no man nor power that exists can take from us. Would it not be better to live as a slave in this world but be a free man in the world that was and is and is to come? What a tragedy to throw off the shackles of human slavery and yet die a slave to sin and eternal damnation. Temporal political freedom means nothing in the Kingdom of God. The only freedom that truly matters is the freedom that we have in Christ.

I am wearied of any identity that exists outside of our identity in Christ. Identifying and highlighting our so-called differences runs counter to the Scriptures. If we are in Christ then we are one. Christians should not allow the secular world to divide that which the Lord has united. It is the work of Satan himself in the guise of clever and devious politicians to divide and conquer. I see no black man, I see no white man, I see no brown man, I see no yellow man.I see Christ in my brothers and sisters and in that there is true freedom. Freedom from hatred, freedom from bitterness, freedom from anger, freedom from the desire for revenge. The Body of Christ should be the shining city on the hill. Do you hate or dislike another man because he is white? Do you hate or dislike another man because he is black? Then you are a slave and you know nothing of the freedom of which I speak. You will gravitate towards secular men and away from Jesus as the sting of slavery begins to bite deeper and deeper. Would you be free today? Lay down your rights. Would you be free today? Lay down your long-held grievances for you cannot serve two masters. The true master told an enslaved people that when their earthly masters compelled them to walk one mile, they were to walk two miles. Anything outside of this is to worship Barabbas and reject Jesus. The spirits of the age, like the sirens of old, are luring your ship onto the rocks. The lighthouse that shines in the darkness warns us to flee from such spirits and to put Satan behind us........bro Frank


 2017/9/27 20:57
rufnrust
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 Re: Would You Stand For the National Anthem?

I would gladly be the ONLY one standing any time anywhere.

Rusty


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Russell

 2017/9/27 21:01Profile
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Yes, absolutely, with hat off and right hand over heart. The star spangled banner is a notoriously hard song to sing but I give it my best shot.


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Todd

 2017/9/27 21:38Profile
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Because not standing is now a magnet of attention, I would stand and do. It ain't about me. Meaningless to me to stand, harmless. Needlessly provocative to sit. I have nothing to prove by it. No one will see Christ in my seat.


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Tim

 2017/9/27 22:29Profile
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 Re: Would You Stand For the National Anthem?

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by AbideinHim
Does being patriotic to our nation bring us in conflict with our allegiance to Jesus?


No, I do not believe that standing during the nation anthem or even having a flag wave from our front porch conflicts with Christ. I have always stood and put my hand over my heart.

What I do believe that conflicts with Christ is for a Christ follower to slander and belittle those who do not stand for the national anthem widening the divide that is already there.

If the Spirit of God be in us, doesn't that make us peacemakers and reconcilers to HIM and not to a way of life?

God bless,
Lisa


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Lisa

 2017/9/28 2:19Profile
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I'm not an American, but the issue is the same in any nation.
Therefore I humbly submit that Frank's post is the one that truly represents the spiritual reality.

Whether you stand or sit, we need to watch over our hearts and what we are bound to.


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Dave

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