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narrowpath
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Eli,
spiritual gifts are from God, and not from Satan, though he may counterfeit them.

Satan has a 2 folded strategy towards the church: draw some away into hype and deter the others because of the abuse they see.

I think it is an affront to God if we do not put to use what he gives us, like with anything else God gives us.

There is no added safety in forbidding the gifts, just because they may be abused.

The Corinthian church had the gifts in abundance, though they were carnally minded.

Many cessasationists will point out that their gifts were an expression of their carnality - far from that!

They were carnal despite their abundance of gifts.

They accuse us of of extra-biblical revelation, though they themselves use extra-biblical revelation trying to prove that they had ceased.

Paul did not advise them to drop the gifts and rather focus on doctrine. He put things in the right order of priority and sandwiched the grand theme of love within explanations of the gifts and their use.

 2017/8/8 7:05Profile
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I just heard a baptist preacher (of all people) point out last Sunday that in scripture when people were filled with the HS an action always followed. It was never about the experience itself which is where many of the current charismatic streams run off the rails.

Then I was listening to Zac P's "through the Bible" series and he made the point that the purpose behind being baptized with the HS is to further fulfill the blessing given to Abraham: "And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

In other words, we are filled with the HS in order to bless others. We should be a blessing to every person, every family we interact with.

John 7:38-39 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.




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 2017/8/8 8:38Profile
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Todd,

He didn't say they spoke with tongues and prophesied, did he? :)


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William

 2017/8/8 10:33Profile
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Haha Actually he did!

But he pretty much stopped right there.


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LOL!

Understandable...


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William

 2017/8/8 11:02Profile
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I just heard a baptist preacher (of all people) point out last Sunday that in scripture when people were filled with the HS an action always followed. It was never about the experience itself which is where many of the current charismatic streams run off the rails.



Amen to this!!! It was never about receiving and the personal experience. It is about having His fullness, about partaking of the divine nature, being filled with His power for the purpose of carrying out His will through His ability. If there is not action, then we have received nothing.


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 2017/8/8 14:41Profile









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George just a question, brother. It is rather of a personal nature. But are you married? Or have you ever loved somebody that has been very special to you?

Bro Blaine

 2017/8/8 15:24
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The Holy Spirit or Emotionalism?

by: 'unknown' [not by me, nor my wife]

So many times we hear Christians say “I felt the Holy Spirit today” or “I was over come by the Holy Spirit and it felt…” But how do they know and how do we know it was in fact the person of the Trinity- The Holy Spirit- and not our own human feeling and emotions (or a different spirit for that matter)?

First we must ask: Can we feel things apart from the Holy Spirit that is caused by ourselves or another spiritual force? The obvious answer yes.

So knowing we can the next logical question is: How do we know what is causing our feelings? Can we idolize and worship our own feelings and not God?

Yes. Like addicts, they seek to satisfy a lacking sensation that makes them feel good, content, satisfied, or any other feeling they desire and feel they need. So the addicted desire and seek things that bring about that feeling they want. The feeling becomes their end result, ends to the means, and final hope. Thus their feeling are their god and they will use god to get it.

Then what about the feelings people get when they sing out loud, dance around, and allow themselves to get caught up in the loud sounds and flashing lights of worship? The exhilarating rush of excitement and happiness when they hear heir favorite worship song. The feeling of being around your friends and family in an exciting worship frenzy. Can that also be what people seek, desire, idolize, and worship and not God? Yes.

Prepare your self for this statement: The Holy Spirit is not a ‘spiritual high’. He also does not cause a ‘spiritual high’ that alleviates when church is over.

He is a person, not a feeling. So if that feeling leaves you when you leave church, its not Him. If that feeling leaves when the preacher opens the word of God and you don’t get that same feeling when the word of God is read, its not Him. He forever changes your life and your world around you- in subtle ways and in major ways. Either way, he is in you, empowering you, and changing you- never leaving you.

If you are a believer, you are filled by the Holy Spirit. He lives in you, empowers you with faith every day and continually draws your heart to God. If you are truly worshiping God, it is in the spirit and does not leave you because you are spiritually alive and spiritually with The Holy Spirit as He enables you to worship God.

This is NOT to say He wont make you feel certain ways or certain things. He convicts people of sin. That is not a very good feeling. When we are convicted of something wrong- a bad feeling follows. He also produces true Joy in us as well. And joy can result in a very good feeling. He gives us peace, which can result in a feeling of contentment.

But the same idea of Faith before Works applies here too. Just as Faith WILL produce good Works; The Holy Spirit can make you have a range of feelings and emotions. Just as Works DO NOT cause saving Faith; Our feelings and emotions do not then prove the Holy Spirit is the cause. Always keep in mind that our flesh and our sins effect our feelings and emotions too. Just because we feel something doesn’t mean by default it was from God. Just because we are in church singing, does mean by default our feelings are from God either. Even while we are singing, our flesh is still sinful.

Questions to ask yourself:

Do you only ‘feel the Holy Spirit’ during certain kinds of music (your favorite songs)?
Do you ‘feel the Holy Spirit’ in the teaching of His Word as much as a certain kind of music?
Does the ‘feel of the spirit’ leave when church is over?
Are other churches you have attended not ‘spirit filled’ like the one you like?

How you answer these questions points you to whether or not your feelings are the focus of your worship or The Holy Spirit causes your feelings. If you only ‘feel the spirit’ during your favorite songs and not when His word is being preached and you feel like the spirit is not present when you leave church or other churches are not spirit filled, then deep down inside, you are most likely focused on you and your feelings and not God. Thus not worshiping God in spirit.

We are commanded to worship God in SPIRIT AND TRUTH (John 4:24). And God is not limited to church walls or musical interments or not. We can praise him everywhere in everyway he finds pleasing. We can worship God anywhere in anyway he finds pleasing to His glory.

Lasting Joy, spiritual maturity, spiritual satisfaction, and spiritual contentment are a result from worshiping God in spirit and truth. We are worshiping in spirit and delight in his truths of who he is, what he has done, and what he is doing for us and all the world; The Holy Spirit fills us with joy, matures our souls, satisfies our hearts, and makes us content with in Him.

 2017/8/10 6:18Profile
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Hi George,

This is the first post I can mostly agree with :)

Certainly the work of the Holy Spirit is much deeper and long lasting than mere human emotions, although His presence and power within us can effect our emotions, just as He should and does effect or influence our will and intellect.

That is the place we need to be, where our "soul" (will, intellect, emotions) are surrendered to Him and guided by Him, thus we will be well able to discern between His true working and that which is purely natural, or worse, demonic.

Blessings,


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William

 2017/8/10 8:55Profile
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 Re: EXPERIENCE - and the Rise of Emotionalism

As with all things in the Christian life there is a needed balance. It is dangerous to walk totally by feelings, yet every believer should enjoy their salvation fully. Salvation is by faith and faith must precede feeling. Our faith is insufficient if we somehow don't get a feeling with it. In my personal experience of first coming to Christ, when faith was done I felt and knew that I was washed in the blood, what a joy! How can a man be born again and not be conscious of it? How can a walk in the Spirit not effect the whole man, emotions included? We rely on the Word of God and believe His promises. We also have additional evidence in our hearts because the Spirit and the Word agree.

In Christ,


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