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TMK
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 "You give them something to eat."

Matthew 14:16 Jesus replied, “They do not need to go away. You give them something to eat.”

This statement by Jesus has always intrigued me. What did he mean when he said this? (this is in reference to the feeding of the 5000).

I have my thoughts but I wanted to hear your thoughts.

I have also been perplexed by Jesus' statement in the storm when the boat was being swamped-- "Ye of little faith." What is he implying they should have done while he was sleeping?


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 Re: "You give them something to eat."

Please share your thoughts.

 2017/8/21 1:54Profile
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Well, taken at face value Jesus seemed to be saying "You feed them" and "You should have calmed the storm."


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 Re: "You give them something to eat."

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Matthew 14:16 Jesus replied, “They do not need to go away. You give them something to eat.”




The similar incidence in John 6 says this - Therefore Jesus, lifting up His eyes and seeing that a large crowd was coming to Him, *said to Philip, “Where are we to buy bread, so that these may eat?” 6 This He was saying to test him, for He Himself knew what He was intending to do.

So Jesus said those lines to test them. He wanted them to accept their inability to feed the people but also tested whether they had a desire to feed them and give whatever was in their hands. I apply these verse often in church context, many times all we have in a church meeting will be few verses to share, but when we give it back to Jesus, he will multiply it to make it as a food to many.

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I have also been perplexed by Jesus' statement in the storm when the boat was being swamped-- "Ye of little faith."


Who took the disciples into the boat? Jesus did. Hence when the storm came, they should have not panicked but come straight to him. Instead they tried by their strength and then in panic they came to Jesus saying they are going to perish. Many times when we do God's will storms will come, but we should not panic when Jesus is with us. Our faith should be our anchor those time.


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Sree- I believe you are likely correct in your statements.

Why do you think Jesus said "You give them something to eat?"

The explanation of it being a test makes sense, but in so doing Jesus had to tell them to do something he knew they could not do (or COULD they?).

Its kind of like if my 5 year old grandson asks me to drive him to get ice cream and I say "You drive yourself to get ice cream." I am not sure how that can be called a test--- teasing yes, but not a test.


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Yes Sree is right.
Todd, I think you are over analysing it. Maybe your legal mind? :)

It common to say things like that to draw out a persons hearts and open them up to what you want to show them. In this instance the Lord wanted to teach them how they could feed a multitude if they surrended to Him the little they had so He could bless it and multiply it.

Edit: Regarding the boat in the storm, I recently heard someone preach on this. He brought out an interesting point. There were many other boats out on the lake at the same time. Obviously they were also struggling against the storm as well. If you had to be in a boat that day, then the best one to be in was the one with Jesus, the creator of the wind and waves! However this point seems to have missed the disciples, as it often does us in our storms.


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Is there any significance to the fact that both Elijah and Elisha multiplied bread?

That's a good point about the storm and the other boats- I just read that today in Matthew Henry's commentary. I guess i just never got why Jesus rebuked them- their boat was getting ready to sink, they get scared (pretty natural for non-swimmers) and they wake Jesus because they know if anyone can fix it- He can. Then he says they don't have any faith.

If anything it shows His standard is set pretty high!


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It is an issue of God being your [g]od. Your true source of life.

The Disciples said they believed that Jesus was the Christ but their actions showed their faith wasn't fully realized because they actually weren't fully sure so they expected things to work out in a natural way.

The issue of God being your god is so [revealing] [it] that comes up several times in the prophets as a sign that the people had come to know and really believe Him. [This is shown as a sign after vet severe judgement or testing.]

[There is the profound issue of God fulfilling His word. The fact that Christ's entire life was the fulfillment of prophecy meant that he couldn't die before giving His life on the cross. The Disciples seemed to be versed and prepared to understand these things. This is a similar issue to people to up take God at His word who upon being brought to nothing must actually rely on Him to supply their daily bread, clothing, housing and so on. We know that some like the Disciples in this situations stop walking in faith and sink. Interestingly, I think there are times where God has not called them to something and He appears to fail. However, these people were already provided for and God had not called them into some situation. I don't understand this completely but it seems to deal with a lack of intimacy and fellowship. It's like God stating that there were prophets that He didn't send but who spoke in His name anyway and brought words of their own imaginations.]

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 2017/8/22 2:14Profile
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The explanation of it being a test makes sense, but in so doing Jesus had to tell them to do something he knew they could not do (or COULD they?).

Its kind of like if my 5 year old grandson asks me to drive him to get ice cream and I say "You drive yourself to get ice cream." I am not sure how that can be called a test--- teasing yes, but not a test.




Yes Jesus has done that kind of teasing quite a few times! One thing I can think of is,

John 5:5 A man was there who had been [d]ill for thirty-eight years. 6 When Jesus saw him lying there, and knew that he had already been a long time in that condition, He *said to him, “Do you wish to get well?” 7 The sick man answered Him, “Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up, but while I am coming, another steps down before me.” 8 Jesus *said to him, “Get up, pick up your pallet and walk.” 9 Immediately the man became well, and picked up his pallet and began to walk.

Jesus knowing that this man was ill for 39 years, asked him, 'do you wish to get well?'. I find that big teasing!

But looking into the complete context, it appears that Jesus wanted to see if he has come to a desperate point at which he believes there is no more man can help him. There were other ill people in that pool but they all put their trust on their relatives to take them in.


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 Re: "You give them something to eat."

Tod,this is my thoughts:
In Jesus'actions,He was always speaking after The Spiritual.
The totality: "Man shall not live by bread alone,but by ever Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."...Who is The Word,...He who speaketh to us,through The Spirit.).... Who want's us to have Life,.. His Life.

* The keys to the kingdom of God,as Peter was admonished by Jesus,because of Spiritual discernment by Peter, he was given the keys into the kingdom of God,...because of the mindset of The Spirit, and not the flesh, at work in him and in us. ...This is the daily Bread that The Lord wants to give us,..for our Life,..which is His Life working in us,, ( "I am The Bread of Life"),.and always some left over,and for us to give to others,...an unending supply for everyone .

And later ,He tells Peter to, "Feed my sheep"
And ,we know Jesus sent all His Disiples out to feed people this Spiritual
Bread.
If we look at the things that Jesus did in the physical,...it was emphasizing the Spiritual,...

The Bread of Life:.. that is ment to heal the Spiritual ---

*ears,(Spiritual ears,that we may hear Spiritually)
*eyes, (Spiritual eyes,that we may see Spiritually)
*lame/cripple(our walk)
*dead, (Lazarus), (that we may be raised from the dead)
...........and many more
Plus The Bread,of continental feeding that we need.
And notice too,...very important!... It is Jesus that first hands it out,...our source.
True Bread,must first come from Him, (although it may come through
'True Disciples'

I too, am passing this Bread on,

Blessing,
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