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BranchinVINE
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 Baptism with the Holy Spirit


This thread is an offshoot of the thread "Gifts of the Spirit" posted by Esther(TakeUptheCross).


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Jade

 2017/7/28 4:21Profile
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 Re: Baptism with the Holy Spirit


Hi Mike,

Let us discuss this point by point.

First, Acts 19:1-6 ---

My thoughts:

These people that Paul met were disciples of John. They had not yet believed in the Lord Jesus.

Acts 19:3-4 -- And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism." Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, ***** telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus *****."


The Holy Spirit is received by faith (Gal. 3:14) but these people knew nothing about the Holy Spirit.

Acts 19:2 -- And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."

How can they believe if they had not heard (Rom. 10:14)?


So, I would say that these people Paul met were not yet indwelled by the Holy Spirit. So, when the Holy Spirit came upon them, it was NOT the “second blessing” but the FIRST time that the Holy Spirit came, to indwell them.


Do you see any error in what I have said?


Blessings.



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Jade

 2017/7/28 4:24Profile
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Acts 19:3,4 clearly states that John baptized people and told them to believe in Jesus. Read the verse again. So they knew about Jesus already. Otherwise, what did John preach? Repentance is useless without a Savior.


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 2017/7/28 7:03Profile
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Acts chapter 8 NKJV --

14 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, 15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

These disciples had already believed in the Lord Jesus and had already been baptized in His name....

Blessings!

 2017/7/28 7:47Profile
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" For as yet He had fallen upon none of them"

Wow! Sounds different from simply being born of the Spirit, doesn't it? Sounds like additional power from above...


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 Re: Drifter

John was BEFORE the cross and the resurrection.

Edit to add:

John could not have preached Rom. 6:3-11


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Jade

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Acts chapter 8 NKJV --
14 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, 15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

The above verses clearly indicate that these people were believers. They had received the Word of God, they were baptized in the Lord's name, but yet they had not received the Holy Spirit.
"Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit." (Acts 8:17).
They received the Holy Spirit after Peter and John laid hands on them.


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"While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2 and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”

They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”

3 So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”

“John’s baptism,” they replied.

4 Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues[b] and prophesied. 7 There were about twelve men in all.

The Word of God says that they were disciples, they were believers, but had not yet received the Holy Spirit. They were baptized because they were believers and then when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them.


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 Re: Followthe lamb


Acts 2:38 - Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Note:
(1) Repent
(2) and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins
(3) and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Is (3) the Spirit coming to indwell the believer or is it the “second blessing”?


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 Re: William

William,

On the day of Pentecost,

Acts 2:4 - And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.

Was this the Holy Spirit coming to indwell them for the first time or was this a "second blessing"?

Edit to add:
Was this also the day they were born again?


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