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So far as I understand the Scriptures, we have to teach our children and bring them up in the way of the Lord. Irrespective of their going or not going to school. The education (upbringing) of children is not responsibility of the state but rather of the parents. And that is essential.

Amen. If we as parents do not give setup a godly example before the children then how can we expect them to grow up for Christ? It is our responsibility to train them up.

I have a faith that even if my children go to public school, God will still win them for Christ. If someone is weak in faith and does not believe that God can protect their children if they put them in public schools, let them do so. Anything done without faith is sin. So putting your kids in public schools without faith in God's protection is also a sin.

But what annoys me is these weak in faith people, question those who are strong in faith! The book of Job is very clear, God has 3 hedges of protection around all believers. The one around me, 2nd around my family and 3rd around my property. Without his permission no one can touch them. With this faith I will put them in public schools. Let the one who does not have this faith, do it according to his measure of faith.


 2017/3/29 12:57Profile

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RE : /// It is disgusting reading that ///

I agree it is disgusting it is an epidemic, some of the research I read said it was far worse than the Catholic Church and there abuse scandles
I simply posted some statistics about the Public education environment.
Of which I was planning on doing more of on other topics pertaining to that environment.

Your disgusted by those statistics but you are defending the environment that those statistics are speaking about ???

RE : /// So how will children learn to dress modestly? Not from the TV, from their parents! How will they learn to make a difference between good and bad, (holy and profane)? From their parents! How will they learn purity? Surely not from Hollywood stars, who teach only adultery, fornication and such. BUT FROM their parents! And who has to say "No!" - to films and video games that damage the soul? - The parents! Who has to stop the kids from going to disco, parties and like events? - The parents!///

If we as parents willingly allow the State to babysit our children for 40+ hours a week in an environment of peers as well as administration that is hostile to our value system than can we as parents expect that our children will not be vexed in there righteous soul from that environment ?

I know that I was vexed from that environment.

RE : /// And oh, we want schools to get changed (AND THEY SHOULD BE), but should we not START IN OUR HOMES?! ///

I do not care if Schools change , I personally am opposed to that environment for my children, regardless of any improvements that they could ever make.

 2017/3/29 20:56Profile

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RE : /// I have a faith that even if my children go to public school,...///

Why is your wife unable to home school your children ?

 2017/3/29 21:04Profile

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 Re: Bullying statistics

Over 3.2 million students are victims of bullying each year.
Approximately 160,000 teens skip school every day because of bullying.
17% of American students report being bullied 2 to 3 times a month or more within a school semester...."

1 in 4 teachers see nothing wrong with bullying and will only intervene 4% of the time.
By age 14 less than 30% of boys and 40% of girls will talk to their peers about bullying.

Over 67% of students believe that schools respond poorly to bullying, with a high percentage of students believing that adult help is infrequent and ineffective.
71% of students report incidents of bullying as a problem at their school.
90% of 4th through 8th graders report being victims of bullying.
1 in 10 students drop out of school because of repeated bullying.
As boys age they are less and less likely to feel sympathy for victims of bullying. In fact they are more likely to add to the problem than solve it.
Physical bullying increases in elementary school, peaks in middle school and declines in high school. Verbal abuse, on the other hand, remains constant.

 2017/3/29 21:25Profile

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 Re: Tax Payer Funded

By my family not sending our children to the public education system we will be saving the tax payers $35,000 dollars a year basicly a half million dollars in the course of there education.
Actually It will be far more than that : because of yearly increases the Schools receive per student

I have known people whom faulted others for receiving unemployment benefits they said they where receiving welfare.
But they themselves had 3 children in the tax payer funded education system.

As of 5 year ago :

How Much Does The Government Spend To Send A Kid To Public School?

"On average, it costs $10,615 to send a kid to public school for a year. (That's federal, state and local government spending combined.)

As the map above shows, that one number masks a huge variation. Utah spends just over $6,000 per student; New York and the District of Columbia over $18,000."

 2017/3/29 23:39Profile

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 Re: Sree

Why is your wife unable to home school your children ?

Question is too personal! It is a collective decision that we took to put our kid in public school and home school them later (if certain conditions are met based on our immigration status). A man cannot run the house based on his own faith, he needs to consider his wife and make a decision that both are comfortable with. If wife feels that she cannot homeschool kids, then husband has no right to force her. It is not the Christian way.

I am not against home schooling, I love to home school kids. I do not feel it is necessary for me to homeschool them when they are very young.

My interest in homeshooling as the kids grow, is not because I fear public school system, but because I love to spend more time with my kids this way.


 2017/3/30 2:35Profile

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 Re: proudpapa


Please understand that I am not against homeschooling. I want with all my heart that our children follow the Lord even after our death! The circumstances may be different in each country but I believe that parents should pray for their children and also pray for God's wisdom so that they can educate and bring them up in the way of the Lord!

I do not really want that we "fight" over the matter because it is only the enemy that will rejoice over it. Both of us have passed through the system, I see. I have shared already my experience...

I realize my life would be very different perhaps if I have never finished secondary school and never learned English and German. I have access to so many riches in Christ: the sermons, the hymns, the poems, the commentaries of godly people that many who speak only my mother language cannot access. God opened for me a door and gave me a chance to study in Germany and thereby He gives me also scholarship for that from Germany itself! So how can I not thank Him?!

Please, to all of you, do not be like those that said: "Give God the praise: we know that this man is a sinner."... "one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see." And as God saw it good to raise Joseph in Egypt, Moses in Pharaoh's palace and Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah among the Chaldeans, even so raised He me up among ungodly people to serve Him!

 2017/3/30 7:59Profile

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Sree and TakeUptheCros, thank you for the replies

Various people have various situations,
If I die before my children are old enough to not have to go to public school than I relieze that they would probably have to go to public school.
I relieze Germany and other countries have strong public school mandates.
As far as Sree and "immigration status" and stuff I relieze that there are various situations much different than my own.

It is not for me to Judge such situations , But at the same time I feel it is acceptable for me to point out some of the dangers and realities of that environment.
and some of my own reasoning for being opposed to that environment for my children.

RE: /// I do not really want that we "fight" over the matter because it is only the enemy that will rejoice over it.///

I agree.

 2017/3/30 9:19Profile

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RE : /// Both of us have passed through the system, I see. I have shared already my experience...///

I have shared some before in this thread :

so I will share some of it again :

Some of the things that I learned in 13 years of public schooling :

One of the first things that I learned was the social class system.

Our kindergarten's had a morning and a afternoon depending on the location of your home. If you lived on one side of the railroad tracks you went to kindergarten in the morning.
If you lived on another side of the railroad tracks you went to school in the afternoon.

I had some cousins that went to school in Iowa, That school separated the students by those whom recieved free lunch vs those whom paid for there lunch.

In first grade we where consolidated togather into class rooms.
In these class rooms we where placed into 3 groups the A group the B group and the C group.

At 6 years old it was well recognized that you associated with those within your group.

I was in the B group which envied to be placed in the A group and feared to be placed in the C group.

It was well understood at 6 years old that those of us in B group where superior to those in the C group and us in the B group where inferior to those in A group

After the first grade, Students where than put into classes based on end of the year test. How you scored on these test is mostly what determined your placement.

Another thing I learned from 13 years of public education was what it is to be bullied.

My first recalled encounter was at 5 or 6 years old.
I was assigned by the school bus driver the third seat behind the driver.
A fourth grade african american boy told me to move.
Not wanting to be in trouble with the driver, I pressed close to the window instead of switching seats at which time the fourth grader proceeded to intimidate and beat on me.
A day or so latter the fourth grader did apologize to me and was nice to me from then on, I still to this day do not know what caused him to apologize to me.

Any thing that separates you from the norm becomes an area of harassment in that environment,
Mine was my accent, I took a great deal of ridicule, harassment and name calling because of it.

This harassment led to me receiving a 3rd degree concussion by a much larger bully in the seventh grade.
It happened on the basket ball court during the lunch hour no teacher saw it , The students picked me up and carried me to my class and set me in the desk at which time I woke up.

At 5-6 years old while riding the school bus some older boys taught me some sign language : it consisted of closing your entire hand with the exception of the finger in the middle, Very quickly I relized that this was obviously against the rules because some of the kids on the bus where getting in trouble for it.
Two of the older boys forced my hand closed while forcing my middle finger open, and than they tattle tailed to the Bus driver that I was flying the bird.

This was before the days of kids with phones and internet which did not make it to our schools untill My high school years of which even than was only in certain classes for certain kids.
Yet I recall some of the kids in high school getting a hold of the school computer and printer and printing off the worst filth imaginable.
As depraved and as low as I have been what they printed off would never have been a temptation, It was that bad.

In the fifth grade A student brought to school a nude magazine to share around with his friends.
The teachers did not find out and we did not go home and tell our parents that we have been sitting in class looking at nude magazine.

One of the most disturbing things that I learned in Public school was not only the four letter words that where common talk but the perverted double meanings of common everyday words, I was much more naive than many but 13 years of that environment rids those with in it of being naive at very much.

In the seventh grade the music teacher would put vhs tape in the vhs player to occupy the basic music students so they could leave the room to go to another room and work with the choir. many times physical altercations would take place at this time.
I recall that sometimes these vhs tapes where Rater R movies with what goes along with rated R movies

Most of the fights, where done under the radar of the teachers. Not all though!
In the seventh grade one of my good friends a small nerdy boy with glasses learned a lesson in school to never where glasses again. He was setting on the Bleachers in the gym, the bottom bleachers where pushed in , A much larger bully came along grabbed him by his shirt collar and pulled his face, glasses and all straight to the ground which put him into the hospital.

That boy never recieved a beating again, his dad than got him into boxing of which he was very motivated at learning and became very good at very quickly.

I can go on and on with such stories but at the end of my seventh grade I had enough of this school so I begged to move in with my dad and go to a smaller rural school instead of the 150-200 kids per grade I was transfered to a school with 20-30 kids per grade.
Fighting was not so much of the environment but not being ostracized seemed very important, you where either part of the group that all conformed togather or you where simply of the 1 or 2 out cast.

One of the 6th graders brought not nude magazine but porno magazine. They where looked at by almost all in the changing rooms, they where passed out for everyone to take home.

Out of a graduating class of around 300 I am not sure if any of us made it out unpolluted from our environment,

Many if not most of the school pregnancys where the girls that are pictured praying at the flag pole in our freshman year book and the dads to those pregnancys seem to often be the boys in the same picture.

I carried my Bible around some in high school.
I recall two others that did as well, The one seemed always so joyful, I would ask him : what have you been drinking ? He would respond : I am drunk on that : new wine.
The Last I new he is now a open homosexual

I recall the other one telling me once : I do not pray at the flag pole some of those kids cuss and I do not want to be associated with that kind of hipocracy : The last I seen of him : He appeared to have lost the faith

In comparison I am reminded of many that I have meet from circles such as Charity that have a very high number of home schoolers.

Coming from Public Schooling I did not relieze that such purity existed, I think most people do not relieze it.

We learned about drugs early on :
They first gave us Nancy Reagan's "just say no" It was about as effective as an Anheuser Busch campaign against under age drinking or a Philip Morris campaign against under age smoking.

And than they brought us "Dare program" hosted by local cops.

At best such programs simply failed but they seemed to almost have had a reverse effect on many.

The first time I recall smelling marijuana was in the school bathroom.

In the ag classes some of the students would light up marijuana while running the welders.

It was said that some of the football players would mix crank in there chewing tobacco while in a game.

One time while discussing with a football player the possibility of a physical altercation, He told me that he felt that he would win a physical altercation between us because he would sniff some crystal meth first.

It is often propagated that to help keep your children out of trouble you should get them involved in extracurricular activity such as a sport.

A year after I graduated, the school basket ball team got found out to be hooked on meth after some of them had been involved in a burglary and began narking.

It is often propagated that to help keep your children out of trouble you should keep there nose in the books.
For the purpose of deflecting being bullied I spent much time at a local Gym. I recall one time the would become later salutatorian came to the gym to lift weights with us he started talking to me about how he had went to the big city and learned how to sniff aerosal cans.
My thought at the time was what a dummy, and yet this is the kind of thing that the top of the class 'academically speaking' was doing.

I ran into some that I new from school at walmart once they where buying computer clearner I believe they called it huffer.

I was asked by a school acquaintance once if I could drive him to a party that was out in the woods. I ignorantly complied probably motivated by a bit of curiosity. As soon as we arived I realized that this was a bad Idea, A mob made up of mostly high schoolers that I new was taking rocks and destroying a girls car as she was trying to back out to leave they where busting her windows out with rocks and punching her in the face as she was trying to back out. Everyone there seemed completly crazy.
I rather quickly but as nonchalantly as possible left afterward I found out that they all had been using lsd

This was a very brief account of my School experience.

 2017/3/30 9:33Profile

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 Re: let's bake a cake

Hosea 7:8-9

“Ephraim mixes himself among the peoples, Ephraim has become a cake unturned.

“Strangers have devoured his strength, but he does not know it. Grey hairs are also sprinkled on him, and he does not know it.

J. Orr comments -

Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people - had adopted heathenish ways, had set at naught the command of God requiring separation from the ungodly, had intimately associated himself with the idolatrous nations around. The mixing was an inward one before it became an outward one. There is first a mixing in the heart with the spirit of the world, then comes outward worldly conformity. It is this which Christians have constantly to guard against (Romans 12:2). Their calling is to be separate (2 Corinthians 6:14-18). They need to remember that "the friendship of the world is enmity with God" (James 4:4) and that "if any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him" (1 John 2:15). Mixing with the world - the sin of the Church today, as it was the sin of Israel of old - has its effects.

"Strangers have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not: yea, grey hairs," etc. Ephraim had already suffered much from the people among whom he had chosen to mix himself. But even he was not aware of the amount of harm they had done him. He did not perceive how this intercourse with the heathen had sapped the moral strength of the nation; had deteriorated its politics; had beguiled it into a false dependence on foreign helpers; had given a mighty impetus to every disintegrating force already at work in the kingdom. The grey hairs - significant of decay - were thickly strewn upon him, but he perceived it not. Deterioration inevitably results from the mixing of Christians with the world.

Interest in religion gives place to interest in the things which are the constant subjects of thought, talk, and concern in the circles in which we move. It is, besides, soon found that participation in the world's pleasures and follies is incompatible with serious attention to the things of the soul, and the latter, accordingly, is soon abandoned.

The Lord had separated Israel from the nations, that it might be holy to Him (Leviticus 20:24, Leviticus 20:26). As Balaam said of it, it was to be a people dwelling alone (Numbers 23:9). But in opposition to this object of its divine calling, the ten tribes had mingled with the nations, i.e., with the heathen, learned their works, and served their idols (cf. Psalm 106:35-36). The mingling with the nations consisted in the adoption of heathen ways, not in the penetration of the heathen into Israelitish possessions, nor merely in the alliances which it formed with heathen nations.


On numerous occasions, God Himself commands His people to come out from among the unbelievers.

Would you accuse God of having no faith in His own power to keep His own?

Be not deceived, bad company corrupts...!

Go tell Lot that his family will be safe in the environment of Sodom! See if he will believe such a lie! The lie of the devil has been swallowed and is now being regurgitated and spoon fed as chocolate pudding. And some are licking their lips as they try to convince others of how tasty delicious this pudding from hell is.

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