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John 5:39

...You search the scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me, and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life...

The Jews had the Law and the prophets and the Psalms. Yet they could not recognize the testimony of such that would bring them to their Messiah. Who would give them life.

We have the Bible. Yet we fail to recognize its testimony to bring us to Jesus. Him. who will give us life.

Our life is found in a Person who is Truth. And His name is Jesus. We are not bound to a book. But we are bound to Person. And His name is Jesus.

Bro Blaine

 2017/3/17 18:48
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Read very carefully John 5:39 to the end of the chapter.

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...You search the scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me, and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life...///

The Pharisees did not read the Scriptures for themselves

because they did not believe the Scripture's ! John 5:47

Had the Pharisees believed the Scriptures they Would have recognized Jesus.

But there trust was not in the Power of God to inspire the Scriptures!

But rather in the fathers of there religion and there traditions to interput the Scriptures for them.

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Granted PP. But if we are not careful, We wind up worshipping the Bible as the Jews worshipped the Law. Something called bibliolatry Akin to idolatry? Worshiping the written word (Bible) over the living word (Jesus).

For sure, we thank God that we have the scriptures. For they are the sacred writings that lead us to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. But the end result of scriptures is Christ Himself not the book itself.

Bro Blaine

 2017/3/17 19:24
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Of course the bible leads us to know the one in whom is eternal life and is not eternal life itself. However let's not be led down a back alley argument on this, as the point of the discussion is WHO or WHAT is the revelation of truth of eternal life in Christ. Is it the bible or is it the 'priests'? You could add is it tradition or is it visions men have?

As much as the Holy Spirit may use teachers, dreams or visions, ultimately it has to be the bible that authenticates any of these. If they contradict the scriptures they are to be rejected. So we have the 'word of God' as our light shinning in a dark and increasing deceived world as a sure foundation to stand on.

In these days it is more likely the bible is undermined than being over elevated or worshipped, particularly in the church. So do not fall into that trap and elevate any person or experience over the scriptures. Only Jesus Christ himself is above the bible.

Let us all be good Bareans and search the scriptures to find the truth of who Christ is that we may correctly know him and know His will for each of us, not being deceived by the trickery of men who may deceive with smooth words or stories!


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add : RE : ///Let us all be good Bareans and search the scriptures to find the truth of who Christ is that we may correctly know him and know His will for each of us, not being deceived by the trickery of men who may deceive with smooth words or stories!////

very good !

Ignatius of Loyola was a very spiritual man , self denial , meditations , visions etc. etc.

True Christian Spirituality looks like What we see in Spurgeons observation of John Bunyan :
“Why, this man is a living Bible!” Prick him anywhere—his blood is Bibline, the very essence of the Bible flows from him. He cannot speak without quoting a text, for his very soul is full of the Word of God. I commend his example to you, beloved.

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Brothers, you keep saying we need to be good. Bereans. If I remember correctly, the Bereans were Jews who had access to the Torah. Thus they could examine the claims made by Paul as regards to the Old Testament Messianic promises of Jesus.

What are you going to do with those unreached people groups that do not have a verse of scripture in their heart language? Also, how did Paul reach out to the Gentiles who did not have access to the Old Testament?

We tend to read our bibles with a western mindset. Assuming that everybody is literate and has access to the printed word. However, speak with missionaries who minister out on the front lines, and this is not always the case.

Just suggesting we need to rethink our paradigm from the printed word. And see that God works in other ways other than the printed word. I realize this is heresy to some, maybe many in the forum. But the reality of missions does not comport with our western theological mindset.

Just some thoughts for consideration.

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 2017/3/18 8:35
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RE : /// Just suggesting we need to rethink our paradigm from the printed word. And see that God works in other ways other than the printed word.///

Rather it be a vision or someone giving the message in another language, the true message will always be consistent with the Scriptures!

add : Brother Bear, You are sorta going off track from anything pertaining to the artical.

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Ignatius of Loyola was a very spiritual man , self denial , meditations , visions etc. etc.



He was the founder of the Jesuits. Many claim him to be evil or wrong but it was a godly movement to start with, and turned bad later on.

We are to live a life of godliness and look beyond the sacred page to know God, experience Him and have our lives be like Jesus on earth. This does not happen by just quoting bible verses or memorizing but by the grace of God experiencing the divine nature of God and obeying the Spirit of God.



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John Owen, probably the most prominent and respected academic leader of Bunyan’s own era, once went to hear Bunyan preach. Charles II, hearing of it, asked the learned doctor of divinity why someone as thoroughly educated as he would want to hear a mere tinker preach. Owen replied, “May it please your Majesty, if I could possess the tinker’s abilities to grip men’s hearts, I would gladly give in exchange all my learning.”
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/adrianwarnock/2007/10/john-owen-and-charles-spurgeon-on-john/


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 Ignatius of Loyola

Rules for Thinking with the Church

Ignatius of Loyola, Saint 1491-1556
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THE FOLLOWING rules should be observed to foster the true attitude of mind we ought to have in the Church militant.

1. We must put aside all judgment of our own, and keep the mind ever ready and prompt to obey in all things the true Spouse of Jesus Christ, our holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.

2. We should praise sacramental confession, the yearly reception of the Most Blessed Sacrament, and praise more highly monthly reception, and still more weekly Communion, provided requisite and proper dispositions are present.

3. We ought to praise the frequent hearing of Mass, the singing of hymns, psalmody, and long prayers whether in the church or outside; likewise, the hours arranged at fixed times for the whole Divine Office, for every kind of prayer, and for the canonical hours.

4. We must praise highly religious life, virginity, and continency; and matrimony ought not be praised as much as any of these.

5. We should praise vows of religion, obedience, poverty, chastity, and vows to perform other works of supererogation conducive to perfection. However, it must be remembered that a vow deals with matters that lead us closer to evangelical perfection. Hence, whatever tends to withdraw one from perfection may not be made the object of a vow, for example, a business career, the married state, and so forth.

6. We should show our esteem for the relics of the saints by venerating them and praying to the saints. We should praise visits to the Station Churches, pilgrimages, indulgences, jubilees, crusade indults, the lighting of candles in churches.

7. We muse praise the regulations of the Church with regard to fast and abstinence, for example, in Lent, on Ember Days, Vigils, Fridays, and Saturdays. We should praise all works of penance, not only those that are interior but also those that are exterior.

8. We ought to praise not only the building and adornment of churches, but also images and veneration of them according to the subject they represent.

9. Finally, we must praise all the commandments of the Church, and be on the alert to find reasons to defend them, and by no means in order to criticize them.

10. We should be more ready to approve and praise the orders, recommendations, and way of acting of our superiors than to find fault with them. Though some of the orders, etc., may not have been praiseworthy, yet to speak against them, either when preaching in public or in speaking before the people, would rather be the cause of murmuring and scandal than of profit. As a consequence, the people would become angry with their superiors, whether secular or spiritual. But while it does harm in the absence of our superiors to speak evil of them before the people, it may be profitable to discuss their bad conduct with those who can apply a remedy.

11. We should praise both positive theology and that of the Scholastics. It is characteristic of the positive doctors, such as St. Augustine, St. Jerome, St. Gregory, and others, to rouse the affections so that we are moved to love and serve God our Lord in all things. On the other hand, it is more characteristic of the scholastic doctors, such as St. Thomas, St. Bonaventure, the Master of the Sentences, and others, to define and state clearly, according to the needs of our times, the doctrines that are necessary for external salvation, and that help to refute and expose more efficaciously all errors and fallacies. Further, just because scholastic doctors belong to more recent times, they not only have the advantage of correct understanding of Holy Scripture and of the teaching of the saints and positive doctors, but, enlightened by the grace of God, they also make use of the decisions of the Councils and of the definitions and decrees of our holy Mother Church.

12. We must be on our guard against making comparisons between those who are still living and the saints who have gone before us, for no small error is committed if we say: "This man is wiser than St. Augustine," "He is another St. Francis or even greater," "He is equal to St. Paul in goodness and sanctity," and so on.

http://divdl.library.yale.edu/dl/FullText.aspx?qc=AdHoc&q=3175

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...We are to live a life of godliness and look beyond the sacred page to know God, experience Him and have our lives be like Jesus on earth. This does not happen by just quoting bible verses or memorizing but by the grace of God experiencing the divine nature of God and obeying the Spirit of God...

I would agree with this. For it speaks of relationship with Jesus as opposed to regulation by law. Or serving in the newness of the Spirit as opposed to the oldness of the letter.

Bro Blaine

 2017/3/18 9:18





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