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 Good Friday, or Good Thursday?

I am in the process of working on a Bible Study on the feasts of the Lord in
Leviticus 23. What is interesting about the feasts is that they offer a picture/stick diagram of Christs Crucifixion & Resurrection.

After coming out of Egypt, God told Moses to change the 7th month (Abib, and then later changed to Nisan while they were in Babylon)) to the First month.

Exodus 12:1-2 states "1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, 2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you." The first month had been Tishrei, but since they came out of the Egypt by the mighty hand of God, with signs and wonders, during the 7th month, God wanted them to make this 7th
month Abib the First month. Passover was now to be celebrated forever on the 14th day of the month (Abib).Also, the next day was the beginning of the week of Unleavened Bread, starting on the 15th and going through the21st.
The 15th and the 21st were also to be "Holy Convocations" or "High Sabbath" days. Additionally the 17th was to be the celebration of the "Firstfruits".

The Jews celebrated more than 59 Sabbaths a year (52 Sabaths & 7 "High Sabbaths" or "High Holy Days". This was due to the feasts, in which they celebrated extra Sabbaths on other days of the week, other than Saturday's, called "Holy Convocations" or "High Sabbaths".

Abib (7th month, which is now the first month on the Jewish Religious Calendar)

14th
Thursday
Passover

15th
Friday
High Sabbath
First Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread

16th
Saturday
Sabbath

17th
Sunday
Firstfruits

18th
Monday

19th
Tuesday


20th
Wednesday

21st
Thursday
High Sabbath
Last day of the feast of Unleavened Bread

By looking at this picture of the Lords feasts we can see that Christ had to die on the 14th (Passover) and be raised on the 17th Firstfruits). Christ is referred to as our Passover in 1 Cor. 15:20-23 and referred as our
Firstfruits in 1Cor. 5:7and Heb 11:28 .

To put this into perspective, Christ actually died on the cross on the 14th of Abib and resurrected on the 17th of Abib.The 14th was a Thursday (not a Friday), and the 17th was a Sunday. We know that He Resurrected on Sunday because the Bible tells us that he arose on the first day of the week (Sunday). [Matt 28:1, Mark 16:2, Mark 16:9, Luke 24:1,John 20:1, John 20:19] .

The confusion of the day of Christ's death (Good Friday) comes from the misunderstanding in
regards to the Holy Convocations or “High Sabbaths” or "High Days" that were celebrated the same as Sabbaths, only mostly occurring on different days of the week. In Luke 24:54 when they refer to the Sabbath, they are actually referring to the "High Sabbath" on
the 15th, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. To check this out
go to John 19:31 where it is explained in detail that this Sabbath was a "High Day".

Also, to add to the confusion, Jewish time always starts at 6:00 P.M. and extends to the next day at 6:00 P.M. The Jews also have two evenings. One at 3:00 P.M. (the time of the "evening sacrifice) and then at 6:00 P.M (the beginning of the next day, that starts at evening). Every day at 3:00 P.M. came the
evening sacrifice (Their first sacrifice was at 9:00 A.m., the 3rd hour). The Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke use JEWISH TIME, while the Gospel of John uses Roman time (like ours, where the day starts at 12 midnight).
Christ was crucified on the cross at 9:00 A.M. (look at John 19:14 and it indicates that at the 6th hour [6:00 A.M. Roman time] that Jesus was
standing before Pilate to be crucified. Then look at Mark 15:25 and you will see that he was crucified at the 3rd hour (9:00 A.M. Jewish time) and died on the cross for us at 3:00 P.M. (the ninth hour- see Matthew 27:46 & Mark15:33 & Luke 23:44). This all happened on the day of Passover, just like all of the other Passover sacrifices taking place at 3:00 P.M. for one
thousand five hundred years (after the original Passover sacrifice in Egypt)-only this was the final Passover sacrifice-once and for all! And
they always sacrificed a male lamb, without blemish or spot at the 9th hour.

Christ was our Lamb of God, without sin (blemish or spot) who was the final sacrifice for us, who gave up the ghost at the 9th hour. What a picture all of the sacrifices were before, in anticipation of the final sacrifice!

Also, the day of Pentecost occurred 50 days after the 17th of Abib, 50 days after the resurrection (not the crucifixion). Please refer to Leviticus 23:9-11. "9 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: 11And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it."

The above passage starts off, just after the description of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The Feast of Firstfruits is to start one day after the Sabbath (actually their normal Sabbath day, Saturday).

Interesting?

God bless,

Stever

 2005/6/11 17:41
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 Re: Good Friday, or Good Thursday?

What about Good Wednesday???

It should be obvious to all that Good Friday doesn't fit three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

RT

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Many of the saints in past years held this view. It was prevalent among the Brethren and was also held by Graham Scroggie and EW Bullinger.


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Many of the saints in past years held this view. It was prevalent among the Brethren and was also held by Graham Scroggie and EW Bullinger.



Not to mention John Wesley.

RT

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 Re: Good Friday, or Good Thursday?

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Interesting?


Very much so, thanks Stever. A nice bit of work brother. Something of an aside that jumped out immediately was at the first here;
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After coming out of Egypt, God told Moses to change the 7th month (Abib, and then later changed to Nisan while they were in Babylon)) to the First month.

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Exodus 12:1-2 states "1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, 2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: [b]it shall be the first month of the year to you[/b]." The first month had been Tishrei, but since they came out of the Egypt by the mighty hand of God, with signs and wonders, during the 7th month, God wanted them to make this 7th


Without overstating it, a curiosity if there is any parallel to the saints 'changing' of the Sabbath to the Lords Day (Sunday). Also of interest is just the bringing forth the remembrance of the "High Sabbath", 'extra', the telling there being that the word does not always necessitate "Saturday", of course I haven't studied this through but it seems to fall along the lines of "tithing", in that there is often a fuller and broader meaning that is not always taken into consideration. Good work brother.


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RT said:

by ReceivedText on 2005/6/12 1:47:28

What about Good Wednesday???

It should be obvious to all that Good Friday doesn't fit three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

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Stever's response:

My thoughts exactly. However the Jews have a different way of reckoning time than we do, even to this very day.

Any part of a day to the Jews was considered to be the entire day. If a Jew received a guest at the 9th hour, and they went home at the 10th hour, they considered that to be the entire day. For more understanding of the Jewish reckoning of days, go to Acts 10:8-33. This is a detailed read, but very fruitful. In Acts 10:30 Cornelius explains that 4 DAYS AGO he had been fasting.

Lets say that this was a Thursday (just to clarify the example for counting days) and Cornelius gets an answer to prayer at the 9th hour (3:00 P.M.). He is visited by an Angel who instructs him what to do. He immediately sends three men to Joptha to bring Peter back. The men left immediately at this time (about 3:00 P.M. or shortly after).

They rested that night, which was the first half of Friday (Jewish time-day starts at 6:00 P.M.).
Friday A.M. they continue on their journey and arrive about noon, and spend the rest of the day with Peter.

Friday night, which is the beginning of Saturday to the Jews (6 P.M. Friday to us) they spent the night with Peter at Joptha. Saturday A.M. leave for Caesarea.

Saturday night, which is the beginning of Sunday (6:00 P.M. Saturday night) to the Jews they spent the night on the road.-------
Sunday A.M. they arrive in Caesarea.

CORNELIUS COUNTS THIS ENTIRE TIME AS FOUR (4) DAYS. However, with our western minds, with our own concept of time, we see this as only being 3 1/2 days or maybe a little less, depending upon which hour they actually arrived at Caesarea. In any event, the time to the Hebrew was considered 4 days.

Today, we (you or I) could go to Israel. If we were to visit a Jewish friend and arrive at his house at 4:00 P.M. and leave at 5:00 P.M. he would consider that we had spent the entire day with him.

God bless,

Stever



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RT said:
"What about Good Wednesday???

It should be obvious to all that Good Friday doesn't fit three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
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Stever's response:

The way the Jews reckoned time in Christ's time, as well as today:

Christ gave up the Ghost at the ninth hour (3:00 P.M.). His soul immediately went to Abraham's bosom. From 3:00 P.M. to 6:00 P.M. is one day- Thursday. He spent the night in Abrahams bosom from 6:00 P.M. to 6:00 A.M.- One night- Friday night. Another day was spent there, Friday day from 6:00 A.M. to 6:00 P.M. Then, he spent Saturday night from 6:00 P.M. to 6:00 A.M. in the belly of the earth. Then, He spent Saturday DAY there, from 6:00 A.M. to 6:00 P.M. (so far we have 2 days and 2 nights-by Jewish time). Then Sunday night he is still in the belly of the earth from 6:00 P.M. to 6:00 A.M- ONE NIGHT. And finally Sunday A.M.- all he has to do is stay there for one minute, and it is accounted as ENTIRE DAY. At 6:01 A.M. he is out of there and immediately at the tomb, in His new resurrected, supernatural body.

Total Jewish time is 3 days and 3 nights, in the belly of the earth.

Also, Passover is God's plan. Why in the World would God blow it and have Him crucified on Wednesday, which was not even Passover? Christ is our Passover!

1 Cor 5:7-8 not only tells us that Christ is our Passover, it also describes the feast of Unleaved Bread that followed the day after Passover:

7. Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our PASSOVER is sacrificed for us:
8. Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

God bless,

Stever

 2005/6/12 18:57
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Here is [url=http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app156.html]E W Bullinger's explanation of the timings.[/url] in which he makes his case for Wednesday, Nisan 14th as the Day of the Crucifixion.


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 Re: Stever

Nobody knows what time Jesus arose from the dead. All we know is that when they went there, He was not there.

Crsschk,
That's quite a stretch to try to link the changing of months by God to the changing of the Sabbath Day by religious zealots, don't you think?

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That's quite a stretch to try to link the changing of months by God to the changing of the Sabbath Day by religious zealots, don't you think?



Well if it is, the same thought had crossed my mind, independently.

Isn't it more to do with the new beginning and fresh start which God had given Israel at the Passover, which, when considering Christ as [i]our[/i] Passover, is an entirely consistent justification for making Sunday the first day of the week (if I've followed this discussion with understanding)?

There is also the point from Exodus, of showing that God Himself is not stuck in His ways. [i]He[/i] told them to change Abib from the 7th to the 1st. It wasn't their idea, initially. Probably, humans are more likely to cling to old ideas, than God, Who is always ready to do a new thing.

I am touched by the insight that Jesus knew He had to give up the ghost at a certain time, to confirm and compound our understanding of Him as the Lamb. It also compounds the clarity of the 'sentence of death' which when applied by legal judiciaries, also has a 'time' attached. There is an end. This helps me to identify the end of sin even more clearly with His death, the finality of sin's end being so precious to us, and His resurrection becoming an occasion of unspeakable joy. Oh! I think we are slow of understanding. How desperately the Lord must have hoped for Israel to whom He was sent, to 'see' these connections.

Stever, you have inspired me. I will look more into these matters.

 2005/6/13 9:43





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