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HI Staff,

I agree. This kind of communication is very two dimentional. Yes, there have been three others recorded in the studio and one as we speak. One of them was my sisters favorite and it was sung live at her funeral two years ago. All the Kings Horses was written with her in mind when she gave her heart to the Lord just a few short years before she died at the age of 52. She actually gave her heart to the Lord in a Carter Conlon meeting in Greenock, the year after he had spoken at the SI conference there...............bro Frank

 2017/2/2 9:28
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Hi Frank
Thats great please let us know where we can listen,
Thats a very nice testimony about that song.I have an interest in the same thing making songs with a Christian theme and I have been drawn I believe by God into the production end of things and I have to say I find it very very hard .so the studio is a great way to go because they can make a great song sound great as well.Poems I think can communicate something quicker than a song but songs are something where the message is repeated and repeated and to a wider audience.So they both have great value.
Well I had another listen to Mary Creig singing broken pieces and I still like the whole arrangement and I hope it reaches ever widening audiences like a ripple in the water as the message is very important,
Im an admirer of Carter Conlon and Times Square Church and they try really hard to get things right
God bless

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Saints,




Here is the list of channels now that are uploading our older content:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCvNnPVPAJlEyLTZQHW0ELw

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVnpKC2hRhQ4_-kPqrn4ekA

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0_sRVxWrmmnoL34r_3adjQ

https://www.youtube.com/user/ahavajerusalem

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC45NTLoTwqpi8nCcI_0KzOw


Do subscribe to them all.




We are also looking for volunteers to help upload the videos to other locations such as http://www.godtube.com/sermonindex vimeo.com and others.


If you are interested to any of the above just email me: sermonindex@gmail.com

One brother is downloading the entire sermonindex youtube to a hard drive. We encourage some others to do this if they have bandwidth, and an extra hard drive with 500 gigs of space.

here is possible free software that can work: https://www.4kdownload.com/howto/howto-download-youtube-channel


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Hi Staff,

This is the song that Mary Grieg and Aileen Gilchrist sung at my sisters funeral as a duet. The Spirit of the Lord came down and most folks attending, who were not Christians, were moved to tears. After this the Gospel was plainly preached. All of this is very unusual at a Scottish funeral where I come from. Of all the songs I have written, this was my sisters favorite. I wish you could hear both woman singing this , it was so anointed. Of course you can hear Aileen sing here on SI under Godly music.............bro Frank

https://youtu.be/MAvLIp-jX00?list=FLzaJEo3iS31j-rlPwGUncDA

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Hi Frank
I can see why she liked it and also the lenght is very nice you didnt cut it too short which I like.Theirs something about two compatible voices together that is way more than the sum of their parts.Its rare to get that in any genre of music and when the voices are female it is amazing I think.
Its quite a process to bring a song from A to Z almost all goes un noticed by the listner!
I m not sure but I always think the angels do be listening in and singing along to the chorus,
God blessing on your music;
Yours Staff

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Saints,

A few more news outlets pick up the news about what happened:

http://www.trunews.com/article/youtube-shuts-down-another-christian-channel

http://christiantimes.com/article/youtube-briefly-shuts-down-popular-sermon-channel/70970.htm


Just so saints know we are in talks with some other Christian media sites to have our entire archive hosted with them so youtube will become an alternative source not the only main source. If anyone has contacts to online christian ministries that host video media feel free to get them in contact with us.


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Hi Greg
A portion from the Chritiantimes article;;;

According to New City Times, YouTube has a standard policy that allows community members to report channels that are deemed to be in violation of the website's guidelines.

"Anyone on Youtube can submit a complaint, and YouTube will delete a channel after three strikes. No appeal. No questions asked," said Donny Soles III, a Regent University law student


So according to this guy if I or a group say complain 3 times lets say to any youtube channel like" WWE" with millions of views or the Ellen degeneres channel which seemingly has billions of views that this will happen.I DONT THINK SO DONNY!I ve always wanted to say this and I hope no one is offended
Donny you are out of your element!

SI had no strikes at all except that hack in 2005? I think.
The good news is and their is good news pressure counted and SI is in a safer place regarding youtube than where it was. SI 1 Christian Discrimination 0
We are also more aware of the risks.

Great to see the response from outside sources.God Bless you for carrying the story
Yours Staff

 2017/2/3 18:40Profile
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 Re: (Correction) SPAM not persecution

EDIT: The playlists referred to in this post do not line up.

They were posted between July 2016 and November 2016.

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These news stories are leaving out important information. That information being that there were several channels using Sermon Index's name to promote a new movie through SPAM tactics.

SPAM refers to more than just junk email. Here is more information from the YouTube help section:

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Misleading metadata
Metadata refers to any and all additional information provided on a video. This includes the title, description, tags, annotations, and thumbnail. The reason we have metadata is so that you can add additional contextual information to your videos. Please do not use these features to game or trick our search algorithms. All metadata should be representative of the content contained in your video. Among other things, metadata added in an attempt to game search algorithms will lead to the removal of your video and a strike against your account.



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Video and comment spam
It's not okay to post large amounts of untargeted, unwanted, or repetitive content in videos, comments, private messages, or other places on the site. If the main purpose of your content is to drive people off of YouTube and onto another site, it will likely violate our spam policies.



Source: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801973?hl=en

If you and the news organizations actually do their research, and get the whole story, they will see that the cause for SermonIndex getting SUSPENDED was because these people used SermonIndex's metadata in their SPAM marketing. After Greg submitted the information about these people using SermonIndex's metadata to create SPAM, the SermonIndex channel was restored. If you mark the time between my posting this information, 2017/2/1 4:29, Greg posted about reporting this to YouTube at 2017/2/1 5:23, less than an hour after my post. Then ccchhhrrriiisss posted about the channel being restored at 2017/2/1 11:02, only six and half hours after the new information was submitted.

Timeline:
Jeremy221 - SPAM research: 2017/2/1 4:29
Greg - post new appeal information: 2017/2/1 5:23
ccchhhrrriiisss - posts channel is back up - 2017/2/1 11:02

It is important to note this information from the website where Greg submitted the information about Sermon Index's metadata being used for SPAM:

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Please fill out this form if you believe that your access to a Google product has been suspended in error. We'll follow up with you only if we require more information or we have additional information to share.



Source: https://support.google.com/accounts/contact/suspended?p=youtube&visit_id=1-636215024963968338-2137206447&rd=1

In the second sentence it reads, "We'll follow up with you ONLY if we require more information or we have additional information to share."

A little while later Greg re-posted the email response from his first appeal. The response to the appeal was roughly 24 hours after he posted the thread about the YouTube channel being taken down but dated 2 days before the SPAM appeal.

Original post time stamp: 2017/1/30 13:23
YouTube appeal response time stamp: Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:23 PM

This data about the response to the appeal is from his first attempt. It is not from the information about SPAM. That webpage states that usually they will not respond with or for more information.

If you look at these spammers' playlists, you will notice that several of them feature videos that have been deleted. I went and rechecked and all the playlists have at least one additional video that has been [deleted] or made [PRIVATE]. I can't conclusively say this is due to Greg's submission but it has happened since then.

I am sorry for using all caps but the message being promoted in the news articles is incorrect. We need to tell the truth in all things. None of the news stories linked in this thread include this information and none of these "reporters" did any homework.

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Brother,

Thank you for thinking deeply through the facts. I do still believe we cannot be certain about things as Youtube has not given any clear facts to us other then vague statements.

"If" the takedown was because of the meta data with the nigerian movie video playlists, that would seem to imply willful intent on their part and a form of anti-christian persecution. Secondly, I found sexual videos that were doing the same thing so that speaks to me that it was a bigger attempt to "de-fame", I do not want to post the direct links to those sexual videos so that brethren would not stumble, but I did report those to youtube.

One way of persecution online is to directly spam a site with links from bad places, this probably was the tatic used.


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Glad to see the SI YouTube channel back up and running:)
God be praised!


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