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 Popular womens speaker believes that LGBT relationships can be holy!

If I was a betting man I would say that we can expect more and more "big names" to follow this trend.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2016/october/lifeway-stops-selling-jen-hatmaker-books-lgbt-beliefs-chris.html

Update (Oct. 31): Jen Hatmaker posted a 650-word response on her Facebook page Monday, saying she “wrestled with and through Scripture, not around it” before coming to a decision to affirm same-sex relationships, which recently led to LifeWay Christian Resources pulling her books from its stores.
The bestselling author said she still loves the readers “who are angry or shocked or confused” by her news, and reminded followers on both sides of the issue that the LGBT community is paying attention to their response.
Hatmaker said a fuller explanation will come later. For now, she told fans:
I have zero agenda for myself. I don't feel self-protective or defensive or scared or angry. I am neither trying to gain applause or start a war. Some people are throwing parades and some are burning books, but I am not motivated by either; I'm neither overly encouraged or overly discouraged…. Some are certain I am after "the approval of people," but here is the truth: I don't love the approval of people, but I do love people. I love them because Jesus' love for us is so insane and big and outside our templates.
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Jen Hatmaker’s recent remarks affirming LGBT relationships have lost her bestselling books a place on the shelves of LifeWay Christian Stores.
The Southern Baptist chain stated Thursday that the author’s statements “contradict LifeWay’s doctrinal guidelines,” and it has discontinued selling her books in its 185 stores or online. Spokesman Marty King said:
In the past, LifeWay Christian Resources published several resources with Jen Hatmaker. In a recent interview, she voiced significant changes in her theology of human sexuality and the meaning and definition of marriage—changes which contradict LifeWay’s doctrinal guidelines.
On Thursday, Hatmaker declined to comment on the decision to CT.
LifeWay’s B&H Publishing released her 2012 book 7: An Experimental Mutiny Against Excess. Her most recent title, For the Love (Thomas Nelson), is a New York Times bestseller.
In an interview published Tuesday, the Austin-based author and pastor’s wife told Religion News Service columnist Jonathan Merritt that she supports same-sex marriage and believes that LGBT relationships can be holy:
From a civil rights and civil liberties side and from just a human being side, any two adults have the right to choose who they want to love. And they should be afforded the same legal protections as any of us. I would never wish anything less for my gay friends.
From a spiritual perspective, since gay marriage is legal in all 50 states, our communities have plenty of gay couples who, just like the rest of us, need marriage support and parenting help and Christian community. They are either going to find those resources in the church or they are not.
Not only are these our neighbors and friends, but they are brothers and sisters in Christ. They are adopted into the same family as the rest of us, and the church hasn’t treated the LGBT community like family. We have to do better.
Hatmaker, a mother of five known for her hilarious blog and her family’s HGTV series, also talked politics with Merritt, having recently been featured in The New York Times for her criticism of Donald Trump. She speaks to sold-out crowds of evangelical women through IF: Gathering, Women of Faith, and the Belong tour. [Update: See the response from IF founder Jennie Allen below.]
The 42-year-old has long advocated that Christians show greater empathy, compassion, and outreach to their LGBT neighbors. In a viral Facebook post to her 600,000-plus followers last April, she extended a message of love to “LGBT folks,” saying, “There is nothing ‘wrong with you,’ or in any case, nothing more right or wrong than any of us.”
After the fallout of World Vision’s 2014 decision to allow, and then not allow, employees in same-sex marriages, Hatmaker had called for a more gracious conversation on the issue, and later clarified her position:
I want you to know that I land on the side of traditional marriage as God’s first and clear design. I believe God’s original creation is how we were crafted to thrive: in marriage, in family, and in community, which has borne out for millennia in Scripture, interpretation, practice, and society (within and without the church).
That post has been removed from her site.
There has been much speculation about a “LifeWay blacklist,” but the store says no such list exists. Instead, King previously stated, “Similar to most retailers, LifeWay decides—based on a variety of factors—which resources to carry from the tens of thousands available to us. Therefore, we do not comment on individual resource selections.”
LifeWay, which draws in 2.7 million customers a year, has chosen not to stock or to discontinue several prominent Christian authors, including Joel Osteen, William P. Young, and Joyce Meyer, due to doctrinal standards. In recent years, the chain pulled titles from Mark Driscoll and books about heaven tourism. And despite remarks from Rachel Held Evans, it does not ban all books with the word “vagina.”
Jennie Allen, the founder of IF: Gathering, posted a response to the news regarding Hatmaker and LifeWay on Thursday, after her “phone and inboxes started to blow up.” Hatmaker has been a keynote speaker at the annual Austin gathering since it began in 2014. Allen affirmed that she and IF maintain a traditional view of marriage, though they welcome attendees with other perspectives. She also said that Hatmaker had previously decided not to speak at this year’s event.
As Allen posted on her blog:
This is so much more than a statement for me. This is not about some “Christian celebrity” out there, this is my friend whom I have logged a lot of life with—including hours over the past many months about this very topic. While we disagree on this important issue, Jen and I love each other and agree on so many things. Jen speaking at IF:Gathering isn’t even on the table, because she took herself out of IF many months ago for reasons that are her own.
Concerning where IF and I land here: Nothing has changed. I lean on 2,000 years of Church history and we continue to hold an orthodox view of marriage. Our commitment to Scripture is a guiding value: We believe the God of the Universe reveals and defines Himself through His Word. We believe the Scriptures, both Old and New Testament, are verbally inspired by God, fully trustworthy and of supreme and final authority in what they say. (Including in regards to sexual ethics.)

 2016/10/31 19:21
ginnyrose
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 Re: Popular womens speaker believes that LGBT relationships can be holy!

Just a note...

Yesterday I was searching for something on the web when I found a long article about homosexuality. Initially I thought it was one that supported traditional relationships but as I scanned it I discovered it was NOT. The writer was so subtle in his argument that same sex unions are holy. He was so sly, so persuasive. My argument is that do NOT even read those articles!!! They speak soft words and are very persuasive in their argument - those words will come back to haunt you forcing you to question God's Word on the issue.

Maybe that is what happened to this writer, dunno.

Saddened.

Sandra


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Sandra Miller

 2016/11/2 22:47Profile
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This is the result of " humanism " " tolerance " etc. proclaimed far and wide in our day. Humanistic so- called love which of course is not love, for God is love...and He is holy and just too.

Back to the Bible!
Back to the true gospel!
Back to the true God of the Word!
Repent and be converted that your sins may be forgiven,washed away!

This should be our message in this perilous hour.

Blessings,


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William

 2016/11/3 0:15Profile









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What makes it difficult for many people today is that they know someone close to them who is gay, perhaps a family member. So they grapple with how to reconcile the Word of God against their personal feelings. That's ultimately what this woman did. She could no longer justify in her mind saying that someone close to her was in love with someone of the same sex, and somehow God wouldn't be okay with that? The scriptures declare that they have willingly "exchange Gods truth for a lie".

Recently a woman whom I love in the Lord very much, made the declaration to me that her gay son was very much a Christian. To her she had no qualms reconciling the two positions that on the one hand her son was a homosexual and on the other hand he was also a believer and follower of Jesus (as he put it). Unfortunately this woman is now another casuality of the wickedness befalling the church in these last days.

How many of us will axctuallly survive this???

 2016/11/3 0:59
StirItUp
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Brother Mark,

It is a difficult position we find ourselves in as Christians with family members who come out as gay etc etc.
Even as righteous Lot was vexed by the unrighteousness in his town so are we now and it's not pleasant at all.
Our love for family is as hatred when compared to our love for Christ, or should be.
We need to take a firm stand on the truth while still acting in love toward all outsiders.
Let us continue to pray for those who do not worship our Lord in Spirit and truth that the Lord Himself will reveal to them the error of their ways and enlighten their darkened understanding.
Let us also continue to hold forth the true Word of Life to those who do not yet believe and strongly urge those who call themselves Christians to pursue holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

Blessings,


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William

 2016/11/3 1:12Profile









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Bro Mark writes.........

"What makes it difficult for many people today is that they know someone close to them who is gay, perhaps a family member. So they grapple with how to reconcile the Word of God against their personal feelings. That's ultimately what this woman did. She could no longer justify in her mind saying that someone close to her was in love with someone of the same sex, and somehow God wouldn't be okay with that? The scriptures declare that they have willingly "exchange Gods truth for a lie"."

Amen brother. This is exactly right. In these latter days people have exchanged the truth for a lie. To exchange something is a willful act. This is why it is so important that Jesus is the most important thing in our lives. We must prefer God above all things, even our own families and friends. This day is a day of separation.

The prophet once said " choose ye this day whom you shall serve." This certainly applies to the times in which we live. Before this is all over there will be no middle ground left to hide in, no shades of grey, only darkness or light, only the sinking sands of the world or the solid rock of Jesus. The times in which we live will expose whether the structure we present to the world has a foundation or whether the winds and the rains will simply sweep it away. God is coming back for a pure and spotless bride and the that bride will be made like the finest of gold by the refining fires of persecution. Who will stand in this evil day?...............bro Frank

 2016/11/3 9:27
yuehan
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Yesterday I was searching for something on the web when I found a long article about homosexuality. Initially I thought it was one that supported traditional relationships but as I scanned it I discovered it was NOT. The writer was so subtle in his argument that same sex unions are holy. He was so sly, so persuasive. My argument is that do NOT even read those articles!!! They speak soft words and are very persuasive in their argument - those words will come back to haunt you forcing you to question God's Word on the issue.


Great advice, ginnyrose - I thoroughly agree. I've noticed many evangelical Christians being taken up by various degrees of deception concerning this issue.

Let us be vigilant in watching our life and doctrine closely (1 Tim 4:16). And also - "he who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall" (1 Cor 10:12).

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