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I'm not looking to get in the middle of this as honestly like many things a fuller context of all the "proof-texts" being used at times would bring clarity, but I did think of the passages where Jesus cast out the demons & what they clearly knew about Jesus even before any man on earth (apart from Jesus) apparently did:

28And when he came to the other side, to the country of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men met him, coming out of the tombs, so fierce that no one could pass that way. 29And behold, they cried out, “What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?

They weren't too deluded on Jesus, who He was, what He came to do, etc. They may not have had it all figured out perfectly, but they knew quite a bit that was quite accurate on who He was, what He came to do, & what power He clearly had over them - long before any other man on earth knew.

And Honestly, in so many ways more and more I can see that the issue of Israel & the Jews has so many implications to the whole issue of man overall. And eschatology. And Grace. And election. Etc. And yes, as I always say, if the Jews are irrelevant in our day, Satan didn't get the memo. And these demons understood Jesus in His day, but those same spirits misunderstand and misdirect their vitriole hatred towards the Jews today? Hhhmmmmm....that seems illogical doesn't it?

 2016/8/4 16:26









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Neil,
Either way brother, remember Grace...& humility. I lovingly implore you as a brother and a friend (who also must often remember these things). 😊
God Bless,
Jeff

 2016/8/4 16:29









 i love this "Button" Marc.

Bro. Marc,
when one is writing, lets say, a comedy scene(entertainment industry).....the last big funny LINE, is called the "Button"......in the that tent-making job, the ability to craft a really GOOD "button" is prized......here's your button, after you realized the futility of an authentic discourse with the other poster, you "buttoned" it with a question THAT HAS an answer:

"and yet......why.....would.....he.....blunder on and on to a prerecorded end?"




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 Re: i love this "Button" Marc.

The Jew, the cause of and the solution to all the problems of the world.

(reworded from an eposiode of a TV cartoon)

 2016/8/4 16:41









 Re: i love this "Button" Marc.

I mentioned the Jews only as a single example because it is obvious.

There are many other activities of Satan that by simply doing nothing. The Church, Christianity and the bible would today be a joke.

For the record I did not hijack the thread this still relates to what Adam did and the resulting depravity of man which is manifested as a HATRED FOR GOD! Man lusts with his eyes, lusts with his flesh and self exalts. That is his nature.

Do you think Adam and Eve are in heaven?



marcmc

 2016/8/4 16:49









 Brother Jeff

you wrote:

"Neil,
Either way brother, remember Grace...& humility. I lovingly implore you as a brother and a friend (who also must often remember these things). 😊
God Bless,
Jeff"

I know, Jeff...I know.....and I don't write that as a "hateful blow-off"......Grace, Mercy, Love, Peace.......I LOVE those words.......I put "hate" in quotes, coz I don't even LIKE to use that word!

Then I read your second post:

(this grabbed me)

" And these demons understood Jesus in His day, but those same spirits misunderstand and misdirect their vitriol hatred towards the Jews today? Hhhmmmmm....that seems illogical doesn't it? "

i'll be still now, mayhap you venture an answer to your question Jeff?....


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 "Do you think Adam and Eve are in heaven? "

My mother died on 3 June this year, laid to rest 15 feet from my sitting porch, and I been asking God that question about my dear mother,(whilst grieving and crying) so your hypothetical question rings hollow to me.

 2016/8/4 16:58
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 Re: Brother Jeff

Saints,

I feel this discussion has had its course and in the end we are not encouraging discussions on calvinism vs arminism, though parts of this discussion were not fully cemented on this.

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