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 Andrew Strom: Urgent Warning



Andrew Strom: Urgent Warning


KUNDALINI WARNING – Urgent
-by Andrew Strom

I just saw the video of Rick Joyner announcing that Todd Bentley is back ministering every night at Morningstar in North Carolina and now they have so-called “revival” manifestations eerily similar to Lakeland.

They also announced that they are streaming these big meetings every night on their new TV channel – and they are greatly promoting the whole thing.

Now I am a tongues-speaking Pentecostal myself – but can I ask a simple question here please?

What kind of “spirit” was it operating in the Lakeland revival – when the leader and main focal-point of the meetings (Todd Bentley) was having an adulterous affair behind the scenes? Was it truly the “Holy” Spirit that was anointing something so sensual and unholy?

And now that Todd divorced his wife and married his mistress – are we supposed to welcome him back and this “anointing” with him? What is going on here?

Rick Joyner has been warned very specifically by high-level ministries not to do what he is doing now -bringing Todd Bentley back into the limelight. And yet it seems he does not care.

Apparently the “manifestations” are all that matter.

So what exactly are these ‘manifestations’ if they are seemingly at home in such an unholy environment? Are they from God at all? (I am talking here about the violent “jerking”, uncontrollable laughter, bodily contortions, drunkenness, ‘portals’, strange “angel” encounters, etc.)

Why do we not see such an ‘anointing’ in the Bible? Why aren’t Jesus or the apostles promoting these manifestations if they really are true Revival? Why instead do we see these things all the way through New Age and Hinduism, etc?

Do we not realize that many false religions have their own version of “laying on of hands” that results in these very types of manifestations?

This ‘spirit’ is not in the Bible – but it is (found) all the way through Kundalini-type Hinduism. Don’t you think this should alarm us?

WHAT is KUNDALINI?

If you search for Kundalini and Shakti on the Internet, you will find that multitudes of people in the New Age and Eastern religions still experience these powerful manifestations. Often this is with the help of a Guru, who touches them on the forehead so that they can experience a “Kundalini Awakening”.

As researcher Robert Walker wrote in 1995:

“The meetings which mystic Hindu gurus hold are called ‘Darshan’. At these meetings devotees go forward to receive spiritual experience from a touch by the open palm of the hand, often to the forehead, by the guru in what is known as the Shakti Pat or divine touch.

The raising of the spiritual experience is called raising Kundalini…

After a period when the devotee has reached a certain spiritual elevation they begin to shake, jerk, or hop or squirm uncontrollably, sometimes breaking into uncontrolled animal noises or laughter as they reach an ecstatic high. These manifestations are called ‘Kriyas’. Devotees sometimes roar like lions and show all kinds of physical signs during this period.

Often devotees move on to higher states of spiritual consciousness and become inert physically and appear to slip into an unconsciousness…”

And as guru Shri Yogãnandji Mahãrãja wrote:

“When Your body begins trembling, hair stands on roots, you laugh or begin to weep without your wishing, your tongue begins to utter deformed sounds, you are filled with fear or see frightening visions…the Kundalini Shakti has become active.”

In China there is a popular Kundalini-type movement called ‘Qigong’.

When a Chinese Qigong spiritual master spoke in the USA in 1991, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that many in the crowd began to experience “spontaneous movements”. The master told his audience,

“Those who are sensitive might start having some strong physical sensations – or start laughing or crying. Don’t worry. This is quite normal.”

When you see videos of these “kriyas” or other Kundalini-type manifestations, you would often swear that you are watching a modern “Impartation”-type church meeting. (And I say this as someone who believes strongly in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I just don’t believe in “alien” anointings infiltrating the Body of Christ! There is a big difference between Kundalini and the real Holy Spirit).

Since 1993-4, I believe a foreign spirit has been allowed to invade the church – first through Rodney Howard-Browne’s ministry – then Toronto, then the Prophetic movement (which I was part of at the time) and on into Lakeland and many other ministries and movements.

I urge people now to “test the spirits” just as we are commanded to in Scripture. Do not let just anyone lay hands on you. This is a powerful spirit and it has the backing of a lot of big-name ministries. In fact, these men and women are the very ones responsible for allowing it to spread through the body of Christ.

And one day they will be answerable to God for doing so.

We are specifically warned in the Bible that the Last Days will be a time of “seducing spirits,” false prophets, ‘lying signs and wonders,’ and that we always need to watch for “angels of light” masquerading as the real thing.

Why does the modern church not take these warnings seriously? Aren’t we living in the very days that the Bible warns about?

Right now I need to do something that I have never done in such a way before.

I have never before published a list of ministries or movements to watch out for. But this time I have to.

This sickness has gone on long enough. I urge you to cut yourself off from the following ministries and their tainted “anointings” my friends.

Even though some of these people say “good things” at times, it is simply not worth having any involvement with them due to the tainted anointing that they endorse or minister in themselves.

Here is the list-

(1) Todd Bentley.
(2) Rodney Howard Browne – the so-called “Holy Ghost Bartender.”
(2) Rick Joyner or anyone connected with Morningstar Ministries.
(3) John Arnott & any connected with TACF (The “Toronto Blessing”).
(4) Peter Wagner of the ‘New Apostolic Reformation’ who claims to be head of a worldwide network of ‘apostles’ – who publicly endorsed Lakeland and will soon preach at Toronto TACF alongside other “false anointing” advocates.
(5) Mike Bickle and IHOP Kansas City (-I lived nearby for over two years – and know how much they are into all this stuff. Mike Bickle promotes it in his book).
(6) Bob Jones – the Kansas City prophet whose ministry is utterly tainted by it all.
(7) Patricia King and anyone else from ‘Extreme Prophetic.’
(8) John Crowder & anyone connected with “Sloshfest.”
(9) Bill Johnson of Bethel church, Redding – who says some good things but publicly endorsed Lakeland and promotes the “false anointing” very strongly behind the scenes.
(10) Heidi & Rolland Baker of IRIS Ministries – who do good work amongst the poor in Mozambique – but who have also carried and promoted this tainted anointing for years.
(11) Randy Clark, Wes & Stacey Campbell, and other key figures from the “Toronto blessing.”
(12) The Elijah List – and almost anyone featured on it.
Of course there are a huge number of lesser-known preachers and ministries who carry or endorse this Kundalini-type “anointing” around the world. But I have concentrated here on the most influential that I know of.

It really is an enormous issue in the church. I urge anyone who is a supporter of any of the above ministries to really check them out thoroughly. If you find (as I have) that they carry or endorse this false Kundalini spirit, then please stop supporting them in any way – and whatever you do, don’t let them “lay hands” on you!

I am putting everything on the line to be “naming names” like this. But I believe it is that serious. How on earth did we get to the point where “kriyas” just like Hinduism are spreading through the church?

God bless you all
Andrew Strom.

 2016/1/12 6:54Profile
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 Re: Andrew Strom: Urgent Warning

Good post.


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This has been out for a good while. My wife and I left a church over it about 5 years ago. We met with the pastor to discuss our concerns (before we met we sent him Strom's video of this warning). He didn't want to hear it.

I don't mind conservative charismatic-ism but a lot of the current popular movements (eg Bethel) are very new-agey.


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 Re: Andrew Strom: Urgent Warning

The thing is that we must use discernment
concerning any type of physical manifestation
that is taking place in a meeting.

There are some things that are obviously
demonic manifestations, but people react
differently when the Holy Spirit comes upon
them.

I agree with Andrew Strom on much of what
he says, but I have seen him miss it on a
move of God, because he was judging it
by the manifestations and not by the fruit.

This has been the case throughout the
history of revivals. The Spirit of God can
be quenched and grieved by the lack of
discernment by calling things to be of
God that are of the flesh or of the devil.
But the Spirit of God is also grieved by
calling that which God is doing to be of
the devil.


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Mike-- that sounds good but I have never been in a charismatic service where the pastor or elder calls a person "out of order" who is exhibiting bizarre or disruptive manifestations.

I think that's the problem. In most, if not all, charismatic services it seems that "anything goes." It's as if they are afraid to do what you mention- quench the HS. But this failure to act does harm to the honor of God. This is troubling and Art Katz wrote at least a couple of articles about the problem.

It would be wonderful if a pastor of a charismatic congregation had the guts to tell someone with bizarre manifestations to knock it off, or at least escort them out of the room and talk in private. I have never personally seen it happen.


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Todd writes......

"Mike-- that sounds good but I have never been in a charismatic service where the pastor or elder calls a person "out of order" who is exhibiting bizarre or disruptive manifestations."

Sadly, I would have to agree with that. One time in a Pentecostal church a lady got up and gave a word in tongues. As we waited for the interpretation, another woman got up and began to speak in tongues. The Pastor interrupted her and asked her to sit down because we were waiting for the interpretation. This Pastor was a big Welshman and well known for order. In my experience, he was definately in the minority...........bro Frank

 2016/1/12 13:08
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Brother,

I believe that you are right, and when it is
obvious that there is a demonic
manifestation taking place in a service, then
the person should be removed, and the
demons should be dealt with. In some
instances, demons will manifest when there
is a heavy presence of God.

There are also mature leaders in Charismatic
churches that are sensitive to the Holy Spirit
but also are discerning, and will not allow
demonic manifestations to take control of the
service.


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Mike wrote: "There are also mature leaders in Charismatic
churches that are sensitive to the Holy Spirit
but also are discerning, and will not allow
demonic manifestations to take control of the
service."

I am sure there are. What do you think one of these mature leaders should do when there is a claim of a gold dust glory cloud or feathers falling?

Not trying to be snarky- I am seriously interested how this should be handled.


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To me it is so damaging seeing the amount of deception that abounds in the church.

2 Thessalonians 2King James Version (KJV)

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Especially with verse 10 people do not have a love of the truth. I would so love a revival in my own life. I feel almost like with the christiandom that it is almost like wading around in sewage.

Yet Jesus has his true church

Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

1 Timothy 2:6
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

I remember last time Todd Bentley was on the move I had spent hours to just get the facts on Todd Bentley on the Wikipedia site as people were following him

We should always not focus on miracles as the Bible talks that the antichrist will call fire down from heaven

Revelation 13:13
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

We should not focus on Miracles but more doctrine

Galations 1
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)

2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

The thing is if anyone preaches another gospel let him be accursed to me people like Todd Bentley and others are only puppets for the Devil.

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

To me the greatest deception is self deception and I wish the lord would deliver me from it.

I was trying to find Denny Kensington Sermon on self deception


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 Re: Andrew Strom: Urgent Warning

This brings to mind the scripture about the woman caught in adultery.. Seems JESUS was writing names in the sand..
I believe... He who has no sin let him throw a stone.. John 8


I believe Noone has the right to Name names unless their name is on the list too...

Just my take from being involved in mininstry for many years..
Create in me a clean heart Oh LORD renew a right spirit in me.
David cried.. He wanted the LORD to look at His heart.

Perhaps we all should look at our hearts and take the beam out of our eyes before we see the log in our brothers or sisters eye???


In Christ
Sister Frannie EAGLEFLYING


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