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proudpapa
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 Re: you call this a "threat"?

Bro neilgin1, it did feel like a threat, I can give you the benifit of the doubt as to you not attending it to come across as that, but from our perspective it felt like a threat.

RE ///....personally affected a Jew who follows Jesus's faith walk?///

That has been heavy on me. I do not want to be a stumbling block.

RE: ///advice?, turn off the laptop or PC, and go pay attention to your wife, like God demands.///

sounds good to me.


 2015/12/7 0:34Profile









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Definition of "Jew" noun. "A member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins to the ancient Hebrew people of Israel. Jews believe that a Jew is someone who is the child of a Jewish mother, and who has not adopted another faith"(Oxford dictionary)

Definition of "Judaism" "For its origins Judaism looks to the biblical covenant made by God with Abraham, and to the laws revealed to Moses and recorded in the Torah (supplemented by the rabbinical Talmud), which established the Jewish people’s special relationship with God " (Oxford dictionary)

Talmud: " The Hebrew term Talmud (“study” or “learning”) commonly refers to a compilation of ancient teachings regarded as sacred and normative by Jews from the time it was compiled until modern times and still so regarded by traditional religious Jews." (britannica.com)

Quote : (pp )"The things said to us ought not be said to ones worst enemies". Sad but true.

Who do i support? I know now. True believers who live for Christ, who have and spread His love. He is the only answer in this world and He deserves the full reward for His suffering. And He seems to be missing in some members lives in this thread.

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land

 2015/12/7 1:32
budgie
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 Re: The Church and Israel

Oh how sad that division is created in the Faith of Jesus who was from the very beginning of time.
The Church existed before the New Testament as we read in Acts.

Act 7:35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.
Act 7:36 He brought them out, after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red sea, and in the wilderness forty years.
Act 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

The Church existed in the Wilderness at the times of Moses.

Paul even declared that Jesus Christ himself was the rock that they drank from

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

They all drank from Christ.

Paul even declares that Spiritual Israel existed in the Old Testament, they are the Children of God by the Promise and by being grounded in Trust.

The True Israel are those who Trust according to the Promise, they were in the Old Testament and were called the Church, they are in the New Testament and again are called the Church, it is those who Trusted in Christ as being the Prophesied Messiah, they were the Church of Israel who live by Faith in the Promise.

Never forget that the Church of Israel was completely Jewish for nearly 10 years before the first Gentiles were grafted into that Olive Tree, if some of those branches who would not continue trusting were not broken off we gentiles would never have been grafted in.

God used the ones who stumbled so that he could reconcile the whole world to himself.

One new man Jew and Gentile.

The same mercy us gentiles have been shown by God we are to show to the non trusting Jews so that by our Mercy from God they become Jealous and come back into the family.

Never forget the Jealousy of the Prodigal sons brother.

Do not boast Gentiles, don't forget we were grafted into that Jewish Israel Olive Tree and we have become Joint Heirs with them.

The Tree existed before us Gentiles were grafted in.

We are not greater, we are equal.

We are no longer aliens to the Commonwealth of Israel.

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

No boasting on our part, it is all by the Grace of God and his plan.

Thank You Jewish people, thank you Israel because through you came the Messiah. Because of you we have the Bible.

 2015/12/7 17:43Profile
Oracio
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Amen budgie.


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 2015/12/7 18:48Profile









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It is a privilege to be part of the "commonwealth of Israel" and it is definitely all by grace. We boast only in Jesus Christ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD0FPD8-XoA

 2015/12/7 18:54









 Re: Romans 11 The GOD of Israel is restoring the Jewish people, even now

Romans 11 The GOD of Israel is restoring the Jewish people, even now in these later days.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree,
18 boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, “The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.”
20 Thou sayest well! Because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear;
21 for if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest He also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness. Otherwise, thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree, how much more shall these, which are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I, brethren, would not have you be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits: that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved, as it is written: “There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
27 For this is My covenant unto them when I shall take away their sins.”

(Oh and please do not comment in order to twist theses scriptures J O and the rest of the replacement gang)

 2015/12/7 19:25
passerby
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How can gentile christians despise Israel, they tilled, they planted, they toiled, they tended, and got the spank and we eat the harvest with them at no cost.

Let them alone in their land, let the Lord redeem his people as He had promised for the sake of His name.

 2015/12/7 23:36Profile





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