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proudpapa
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 the most recent common ancestor of mankind

Are You a natural descendant of Jacob ? Esau ? Ishmael ?


It is a very possible that every person living today is a natural descendant of all three.

add: Something to consider as we discuuss the issue of rather or not there still are preferred and rejected races in the The New Covenant

 2015/11/23 13:33Profile
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 Re: the most recent common ancestor of mankind

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Can you explain how this is possible?

Were there no people living in China, for example, whe the men you mention were living?


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 2015/11/23 14:26Profile
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RE: ///Were there no people living in China, for example, whe the men you mention were living?///

Some speculate that the most recent common ancestor might have lived just around 2000 years ago. (others speculate way further)

Our number of ancestors basically double every 25 years
at that rate : 1,000 years, equalls more than 500 billion ancestors with in a single generation. of course no one has 500 billion ancestors that lived at a single generation. many ancestors serve as duplicates.
but you understand the math.

I read one artical that had done a DNA study that estimated the mrca at around 3,500 years.

The globalization of just the past 500 years is What is leading to the theory of a more recent mrca, with more time and more globalization the shorter the mrca will continue to become.

When we figure in the Jewish diaspora's that the secularist do not seem to account for in there equation, I feel it very likely that every human alive today might be a natrual descendant of Jacob






 2015/11/23 18:16Profile
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 Re: Ten Lost Tribes of Israel

As I meditate on this, I would be interested in everyones opinion of the : "Ten Lost Tribes of Israel" ?

 2015/11/23 18:39Profile
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But at Babel there was a great dispersal. That was way before Abraham.

All those folks were having kids way before Isaac etc. so how could the three you mention be the most recent common ancestors of the whole world? It would seem Noah and his kids is the best we could do in that regard.


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 2015/11/23 19:35Profile









 Re: Chromosome pattern: Jews and Arabs shown to be descendants of one man!

Genesis correctly predicts Y-Chromosome pattern: Jews and Arabs shown to be descendants of one man!
Or: A brief history of the Jews

by Jonathan Sarfati

"How do Y chromosomes fit into the biblical framework?

Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes, including one pair of ‘sex chromosomes’ which are XY in males and XX in females. Thus the Y chromosome is passed down only through the male line, from father to son. A 1995 study of a section of Y chromosomes from 38 men from different ethnic groups around the world was consistent with the biblical teaching that we come from one man, Adam—see Y-chromosome Adam?

Females have no Y chromosome, but an analogous test can be performed on them—it’s only through the female line that mitochondrial DNA is transmitted.* The mtDNA evidence is consistent with all humans being descended from a single woman as the Bible teaches, although it doesn’t actually prove that there was ever only one woman in existence. And recent evidence about rapid mutation rates in mtDNA is consistent with this ‘Mitochondrial Eve’ having lived only about 6,000 years ago—see A shrinking date for ‘Eve’.

Application to Jews
Michael Hammer at the University of Arizona in Tucson and colleagues, some from Israeli universities, analysed 18 sections of the Y chromosomes from 1,371 men. They came from 29 different populations, including seven Jewish (Ashkenazi (European), Roman, North African, Kurdish, Iraqi and Iranian, Yemenite and Ethiopian Jews), five Arabic (Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, Israeli Druze and Saudis) and 16 non-Semitic groups.3

The close similarities within the Jewish Y-chromosomes, even from widely scattered populations, was compelling evidence that they all come from a common ancestor. The study also showed that Arabs are closely related to Jews.

Dr Harry Ostrer, director of the Human Genetics Program at New York University School of Medicine, one of the co-authors of the paper,2 said:

‘Jews and Arabs are all really children of Abraham … And all have preserved their Middle Eastern genetic roots over 4,000 years.’4

The study also showed that the Jewish populations had generally remained genetically isolated from gentile populations all this time. It is further evidence that modern Jews largely kept the Old Testament laws (albeit with extra man-made traditions) for centuries after they were dispersed, until quite recently.

This is consistent with an earlier study by a team involving Dr Hammer, on the Cohanim (Hebrew plural of Cohen) from both Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews; from Israel, the UK and the USA. They analyzed their Y chromosomes for the presence or absence of the Y all polymorphic (YAP) insert, and they concluded that the evidence is consistent with the common descent of all Cohanim/Cohens from a common ancestor at a time consistent with the biblical chronology, well before the division into Ashkenazic and Sephardic communities

Conclusion

The Y chromosome evidence is consistent with the Bible’s teaching that Abraham would be the ancestor of a great nation, namely Israel or the Jews, and that the Arabs are also children of Abraham (via Ishmael). It is also consistent with the biblical teaching that all Jewish priests are descendants of Aaron.
The same evidence confirms that all Jewish people groups today really are physical descendants of Abraham, not from Khazar converts, while the British people are not physical descendants of Abraham.
Jesus Himself, while fully God, is a Jew and a descendant of Abraham. Both Jews and Gentiles can become spiritual descendants of Abraham by believing on Jesus.

 2015/11/23 19:55
proudpapa
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  Rev__Enue

As I meditate on what you posted.

I am honestly interested in yours as well as others understanding or view of the lost tribes of Israel

 2015/11/23 20:02Profile
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RE: ///The study also showed that the Jewish populations had generally remained genetically isolated from gentile populations///

Do individual image search results for Jewish people from china, mexico, ethiopia, europe etc,

add: From what I have done they atleast in part seem to clearly resemble the peoples of there specific geographical locations.

ADD much later : I do not want to bounce this back up but for the sake of future researchers I wanted to add :

Researcher uses DNA to demonstrate just how closely related we are :
"Ralph and Coop calculated that these shared segments showed ancestors stretching back some 3,000 years, or 100 generations. This lends support to Chang's calculation that by expanding his model from living Europeans to everyone alive on Earth, an all-ancestor generation would have occurred some 3,400 years ago."

http://phys.org/news/2013-08-dna-earth.html

add: When was Jacob alive around 3,600 to 3,800 years ago ?

 2015/11/23 23:33Profile





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