If a Christian is in need of a heart transplant should they take one from an executed child murderer/rapist? Women who aborted their babies years ago did not do so for the purpose of producing cell lines to produce vaccines.
_________________Todd
Also in this case, the government wants everyone to take vaccine to eradicate a particular germ. As a Christian we should obey this good intention of Government as much as possible.
RE: ///How exactly do you determine whether the government's "intentions" are good or not?///add: That was a Good Question2 things are for certain from history. 1. scientific studies are often flawed. In front of me I have a clip from a local 1965 paper it reads : "The forest service , US dept. of Agriculture will use helicopters to spray 2-4-5-T on nearly 7,000 acres of ..National Forest. .... Careful scientific investigation and field testing have proved that 2-4-5-T is not harmful nor toxic to birds,animals,fish,or human beings,the Forest Service spokesman said" History has proved that those careful scientific studies where greatly flawed. Agent Orange has proven itself with time to be one of the biggest nightmares in history. 2. History also has proven that men have intentionally administered deadly agents under the guise of providing health care or conducting research such as was the case with South Africas Project Coast : Project Coast : "was a top-secret chemical and biological weapons (CBW) program instituted by the South African government during the apartheid era. Project Coast was the successor to a limited post-war CBW program which mainly produced the lethal agents CX powder and mustard gas; as well as non-lethal tear gas for riot control purposes.[1] Project Coast was headed by Wouter Basson, a cardiologist who was the personal physician of the then South African Prime Minister PW Botha..." "....Research on birth control methods to reduce the black birth rate was one such area. Daan Goosen, the managing director of Roodeplaat Research Laboratories between 1983 and 1986, told Tom Mangold of the BBC that Project Coast supported a project to develop a contraceptive that would have been applied clandestinely to blacks. Goosen reported that the project had developed a vaccine for males and females and that the researchers were still searching for a means by which it could be delivered to make blacks sterile without making them aware. Testimony given at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) suggested that Project Coast researchers were also looking into putting birth control substances in water supplies"read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Coast"In 1998 South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission held hearings investigating activities of the apartheid-era government. Toward the end of the hearings, the Commission looked into the apartheid regime's Chemical and Biological Warfare (CBW) program and allegations that it developed a sterility vaccine to use on black South Africans, employed toxic and chemical poison weapons for political asssassination, and in the late 1970s provided anthrax and cholera to Rhodesian troops for use against guerrilla rebels in their war to overthrow Rhodesia's white minority rule.South Africa's CBW program was headed by Dr. Wouter Basson, a former Special Forces Army Brigadier and personal heart specialist to former President P.W. Botha. Basson ran the CBW program during the 1980s and early 1990s. CBW, also known as Project Coast, was initiated in the early 1980s to provide detection and protection capabilities to the South African Defence Force. However, there was an offensive component to the program and the claims are that CBW's offensive program:Developed lethal chemical and biological weapons that targeted ANC political leaders and their supporters as well as populations living in the black townships. These weapons included an infertility toxin to secretly sterilize the black population; skin-absorbing poisons that could be applied to the clothing of targets; and poison concealed in products such as chocolates and cigarettes. (Read the interviews with former President F.W. de Klerk, and Dr. Daan Goosen, who worked with Basson in the CBW program.) Released cholera strains into water sources of certain South African villages and provided anthrax and cholera to the government troops of Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) during the late 1970s to use against the rebel soldiers in the guerrilla war. In 1979 the world's largest outbreak of anthrax took place in Rhodesia where 82 people were killed and thousands became ill. Zimbabwe's current Minister of Health, Dr. Timothy Stamps, has ordered an investigation into whether South Africa was involved in the incident............" read more at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/plague/sa/'Why Africa Fears Western Medicine' New York Times wrote : "the most notorious is Wouter Basson, a former head of Project Coast, South Africa’s chemical and biological weapons unit under apartheid. Dr. Basson was charged with killing hundreds of blacks in South Africa and Namibia, from 1979 to 1987, many via injected poisons. He was never convicted in South African courts, even though his lieutenants testified in detail and with consistency about the medical crimes they conducted against blacks." http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/31/opinion/31washington.html?_r=0not sure what year it was wrote but according to the PBS artical : "....Basson is still employed by the government in the military's medical section and South Africa continues to have a CBW program but says it is strictly defensive. The country is now a member of the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention and the Chemical Weapons Convention."http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/plague/sa/More from the newyork time artical : "...Africa has harbored a number of high-profile Western medical miscreants who have intentionally administered deadly agents under the guise of providing health care or conducting research. In March 2000, Werner Bezwoda, a cancer researcher at South Africa’s Witwatersrand University, was fired after conducting medical experiments involving very high doses of chemotherapy on black breast-cancer patients, possibly without their knowledge or consent. In Zimbabwe, in 1995, Richard McGown, a Scottish anesthesiologist, was accused of five murders and convicted in the deaths of two infant patients whom he injected with lethal doses of morphine. And Dr. Michael Swango, ultimately convicted of murder after pleading guilty to killing three American patients with lethal injections of potassium, is suspected of causing the deaths of 60 other people, many of them in Zimbabwe and Zambia during the 1980s and ’90s. (Dr. Swango was never tried on the African charges.)These medical killers are well known throughout Africa..."PS Edit Add: There is a vast difference between eating meat sold in a market place and injecting unethical contaminate into our blood stream.
Also, whatever is not of faith is sin and if a Christian does not have faith to take a vaccine that is tainted with aborted fetal tissue, then it is spiritual for them and it is spiritual for us to accept their decision and let them have this liberty in Christ which they certainly have.
_________________Sreeram
I am curious - all you who oppose polio vaccinations: have you ever lived closely with a polio victim? One who had all three strains of it? Have you?Sandra
_________________Sandra Miller
sree wrote .
"I trust that it is he who gave wisdom to men to create medicines. I do not find abstaining from taking medicine makes a person more spiritual. A man can receive nothing unless it is given from Heaven. If I take a tablet in God's name and I get healed then the healing to me came from God not from the tablet."
"Instead of coming and spreading all conspiracy theories on how vaccines are made."
Sree said,
I do not find abstaining from taking medicine makes a person more spiritual.
In my past posts I have addressed 3 reasons for people to avoid vaccines.1. People who avoid medicines in general because they believe that God alone can heal. 2. Vaccines are preventive means. Since God is my protector, I do not need any preventive means.3. Vaccines are produced using unethical process. Somehow I peeped into the manufacturing and found everything unethical. I am not going to take them anymore. I have addressed all these 3 things using scripture. One may not agree with any of my answers, but that is fine.
Okay, thanks. I now understand why you responded to PP the way you did.