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 Spurgeon's View of Antichrist

"It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against Antichrist, and as to what Antichrist is no sane man ought to raise a question. If it be not the popery in the Church of Rome there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name. If there were to be issued a hue and cry for Antichrist, we should certainly take up this church on suspicion, and it would certainly not be let loose again, for it so exactly answers the description."

"Popery is contrary to Christ's Gospel, and is the Antichrist, and we ought to pray against it. It should be the daily prayer of every believer that Antichrist might be hurled like a millstone into the flood and for Christ, because it wounds Christ, because it robs Christ of His glory, because it puts sacramental efficacy in the place of His atonement, and lifts a piece of bread into the place of the Saviour, and a few drops of water into the place of the Holy Ghost, and puts a mere fallible man like ourselves up as the vicar of Christ on earth; if we pray against it, because it is against Him, we shall love the persons though we hate their errors: we shall love their souls though we loath and detest their dogmas, and so the breath of our prayers will be sweetened, because we turn our faces towards Christ when we pray." - Charles Spurgeon

Was Spurgeon a lunatic? Do we think we know better than this "prince of preachers" today? Don't get me wrong, I disagree with a lot of great saints of God. But disagreeing and calling them fanatical or looney is different. This view is heavily maligned today? Why? Could it be that it hits home?

 2005/4/23 5:48Profile









 Re: Spurgeon's View of Antichrist

RT... brother... we are two peas in a pod, you and I! I'm glad your here.

Brace yourself because your posts will draw some heat!

Keep the faith!
Krispy

 2005/4/23 16:25
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Was Spurgeon a lunatic? Do we think we know better than this "prince of preachers" today? Don't get me wrong, I disagree with a lot of great saints of God. But disagreeing and calling them fanatical or looney is different. This view is heavily maligned today? Why? Could it be that it hits home?



Charles H. Spurgeon was truly a great preacher and man of God. However, the spirit of antichrist has always been in the land and takes on many more forms that modern day Catholicism. Chick publications may have reservations in agreeing with this, but it is true. What about Islam? What about Hinduism? What about the vast host of false religion? What about the vast number who [b]"walk according to the course of this world, according to the Prince of the Power of the Air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience."[/b] It is all "antichrist" and stems from the spirit of antichrist.


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 2005/4/23 18:33Profile
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Brace yourself because your posts will draw some heat!



They don't only draw heat, but they frustrate many who once enjoyed coming to Sermonindex. These types of posts have cleared off a lot of the old timers who are frustrated with the direction the hijacking of these forums have led us. This site is about REVIVAL and REPENTANCE. Roman Catholicism has already received way more attention it should have proportionally to what the vision of this site is. The site is being 'redefined' and the heat drawn is no where near the level of silent departure of faithful revival minded believers.


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 2005/4/23 19:01
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And that is truly problematic. Thanks Robert.
It has gotten out of balance because it seems the idea that there are many others that frequent here is being left in the shadows in a rush to push one's own particular opinions, even if there is nothing in effect wrong with the content.

It is the shear [i][b]volume[/b][/i] of beating one topic or issue to death and when this is brought to light it tends to get either ignored,
defended, someone gets 'offended', motives are miscontrued...

There is a need for self governance and just some plain old fashioned courtesy to everyone here and the long pause to think about the effects of what this appears to the outside world to look like.

That some have left because of this is disturbing in the sense of almost a 'so what' attitude, equally disturbing is the opposite threatenings to leave because of some perceived injuries... Sigh, I do understand it from both angles somewhat and am just trying to 'moderate' here so without making this into some kind of wishy-washy compromise, or an accusation...

Help is needed from everyone. It is redundant to say so over and over again but Robert is right in the [i][b]thrust[/i][/b] is precisely in this, Revival and Repentance, in the sermons and messages available here, in seeking the Lord in spirit and truth, in things further into the deep end of the faith.

And [i][b]yes[/b][/i], there is yet room for all the other things that come up, otherwise the forum sections would be ridiculous. All this ought to be self evident, but maybe to some newer and unfamiliar it is just a matter of getting a feel for the site.

But it must be said that if you are interested in only espousing your own particular bent towards one thing all the time, start a blog or your own site, that is not again an accusation or threat, please hear me here, I frankly don't know if it is the norm for other forums to be a place where anyone can come in and use it as their own personal pulpit, but not here.

This forum has survived because of a mutual participation and consideration for the thought of others being more important than themselves.

It has survived because others have been willing to change their minds and even swallow their pride on things for the benefit of all, (no not compromising truths).

It has survived by giving heed to some of the elders that frequent here, by those I mean who have been around this block a few more times than many of us here, who ought to have our utmost respect (it's a biblical concept and I am not trying to be snippy about it).

And who are they? It segues nicely into the same redundant appeal to please [b]explore[/b] the site, learn who you are fellowshipping with, explain where you are coming from in the welcome section and read about [i]others[/i] there and elsewhere.

Be of some help, share, read and listen, ponder things. We are all guilty at times of going to far and certainly am no exception to this here. A willingness to be wrong, to be forgiving and [b]patient[/b] with each other. It really shouldn't be all that difficult to resolve.

There will be difficult things, hard truths, things that need to be brought to the light of day and exposed. No one is disputing that nor attempting to explain it away. Nor is it the idea of 'only' that which is edifying, though it ought to lead to that when it is possible. Yet at the same time, again, not every question is an accusation and clarification is always helpful. Also, feel like a broken record here, leave the assumptions out or make that [i]presumptions[/i] in abeyance, a lot of the time people are wrestling with things here in their own lives and whatever mitigating circumstances they may be dealing with are unknown and perhaps that's the essence of where we ought not be 'judging' one another.

Not every post will receive a reply, don't be offended, there are a lot of things that get read that we will never know who it may have effected.
Just as well, there is a healthy way of helping by just ignoring things sometimes, even if it is a bit irksome, leave it be. If it is something that one feels is slandering, divisive of a brother or sister on this site, that will not be tolerated here, please bring it to our attention.

Also, by exploring, bring up something more edifying to bring a balance to things, a different perspective. Respond to something that you usually might not be inclined to deal with. Be creative. This isn't a call to stop anything in particular just to be aware of the surroundings you are participating in. Some things might be better dealt with each other via PM or email.

Please, if you are new here or never have read these outlines do read this and the accompanying links: http://www.sermonindex.net/register.php

So the plea is to just slow down and let each one 'moderate' themselves and take into consideration the big picture here. Ultimately this is not about us, but [i]Him[/i], it is the Lords doing and it is marvelous in our sight if we would just let Him, in what we do, what we say and how we deal with one another.

No need for an overhaul, but this hi-jacking of the forum, even if it is totally unintentional must stop. Please try and keep things in their perspective, in the topic headings often times many of these things have been dealt with at length elsewhere if one will take the time to search it out and the need of always starting a new topic is unnecessary. That, I think may be a greater contributor to how things 'look' upon arriving at the front page then anything else. It gives an appearance of being "lopsided" instead of the variety of thought that truly exists here.

We need ever body's help here.
And especially prayers, let us not be unaware as one of our members mentioned about just who it is that likes to stir up discord among the brethren.

Thanks


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