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Corneliu
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 Re: Warren's Global P.E.A.C.E. plan???

What do you guys think of Warren's "Global P.E.A.C.E. plan"?

On his church’s 25th anniversary, Rick Warren launched what he calls his Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan to “eradicate five giant problems that oppress billions of people” around the world with “five smooth stones of (P) - Planting Churches, (E) - Equipping Leaders, (A) - Assisting the Poor, (G) - Caring for the Sick and (E) - Educating the Next Generation.”

The Baptist Press reported on the event held at Angel Stadium in Anaheim, California on April 17th before a crowd of 30,000 Saddleback Church members.

“Billions of people suffer each day from problems so big no government can solve them," said Warren, Saddleback’s pastor. "The only thing big enough to solve the problems of spiritual emptiness, selfish leadership, poverty, disease and ignorance is the network of millions of churches all around the world."

The rest of the article:
http://www.newswithviews.com/PaulProctor/proctor69.htm


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Cornelius

 2005/4/29 13:58Profile
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Thanks for posting the link to Paul Proctors'article. Here are some other quotes from the article.

So, if you bring good news, train leaders, help the poor, care for the sick and teach children, you are fulfilling the Great Commission? Isn’t that what the U.S. is doing right now in overseas, bringing good news, training leaders, helping the poor, caring for the sick and teaching children?... Isn’t it what liberals, socialists, communists, Marxists, Fascists and every other corrupt leader, regime and revolution throughout history claim they were all about, as well?

And you thought all of the hippies, peaceniks and flower children from the 60’s had gone away. Hardly…

“Go ye therefore and tackle the planet’s problems?” Is that the Great Commission? Did Jesus die on a cross to fix a broken world or deliver us from it? If you’re not sure, you may want to refer to James 4:4 where scripture says: “friendship with of world is enmity with God.”

Regardless of how one feels about Warren, in my opinion, Mr. Proctor went too far here. God bless him and the Southern Baptists for their commitment to sound doctrine. Yet when sound doctine eclipses the heart of Jesus we have the making of modern day Pharisees.

Having grown up in Lynchburg Virginia,(Baptistopia) it has taken years for me to recover from the American conservative superiority complex that has jaded many Christians of the bible belt. (Maybe I'm still a carrier of the virus...)

Mr. Proctor would scare American Christians away from trying to solve the social problems of world by equating Christlike compassion with Marxism. He's too polarized.

According to Mr. Proctor, being friends with the poor is "being friends with the world" and therefore being at enmity with God. He probably wrote this article right after lunch at his favorite resturaunt.

I suggest he fast and read his bible. He might not be aware that Jesus approves of the following passages (as well as many others) on the subject of social compassion:

Exodus 22:25-27
Duet: 23:19-20
Psalm 15:5
Matthew 5:13-16
Galations 2:7-10
Galatians 6:9-10
Hebrew 13:1-3
James 2:8
Psalm 144:14
Matthew 6:11
Matthew 10:42
Mark 8:2-3
Proverbs 23:6-7
Micah 3:11-12
II Corinthians 11:27-29

Or read the book of Isaiah. He who sits on the throne endorses that book as well.

(sigh)

MC


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Mike Compton

 2005/4/29 15:12Profile
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 Making much sense

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God bless him and the Southern Baptists for their commitment to sound doctrine. Yet when sound doctine eclipses the heart of Jesus we have the making of modern day Pharisees.



That just speaks volumes brother, not to mention all the rest here. Well said.


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Mike Balog

 2005/4/29 16:33Profile
Mekdi
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 Re: Making much sense

Thank you all for your post. I was just to give Rick Warren’s book for my unbeliver husband as a gift and you guys gave me time to re-think.


Mek.


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Mekdes Tsige

 2005/5/2 1:46Profile
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I don't know who this Proctor is but he does have good points about issues, maybe he was satisfied from that restaurant when he wrote this. The funny thing about the writing is that being outside of the U.S I tend to see things quite close to how he sees them. He did in all fairness say this:

"And, just for the record, Jesus came to preach the Gospel, make disciples, comfort the poor, heal the sick and teach God’s Word to anyone who would listen. If you’ll notice, that’s markedly different from Warren’s P.E.A.C.E. Plan."

Does Warren think that churches in countries outside of the U.S haven't got any programs that takes into consideration the poor and needy the way the Bible teaches ? I don't know, but it seems to me that this Proctor has hit the nail on its head more often than not. Don't get upset, it's only an opinion.
jouko


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