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Hi TMK,

"Allowed to resist?" To what purpose? If the anti-christ rises and then the Lord returns, the world has then come to an end. We resist as we were taught in the Scriptures to resist. We render not evil for evil, we love our enemies, we forgive our enemies for they know not what they do to us. Even although we shall be led as lambs to the slaughter, our battle is not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places. If we can be let down in baskets and flee to the next town or city or place of temporary refuge and sanctuary then that is what we should do, if that is what the Lord wants us to do. We must hear His voice for ourselves. When persecution came to Jerusalem, the saints were scattered and when they were scattered they took the gospel message with them. Yet the Disciples stayed in Jerusalem. Most left, some stayed, God knows, follow God by His Holy Spirit, He will lead us and guide us.........bro Frank

 2014/8/3 23:57
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just some suplimentry imfo i found

not long ago i was watching some sermons from walid sheobat and was impressed at what showed from scripture ,,,this brother here that wrote this has the same exegit from memory ,,the one thing he did not mention was a proiphecy that the man of sin comes from edom,,which is part of present day turkey

if anyone has studied the differenece estoligical outcomes from the bible and islamic teachings ,,one will see that that the christanian antichrist ..is the madi the islamic messia ,,and the antchrist of islam ,is the christ our lord ,,i verry blatent twist that will prime the the world to recieve the madi antichrist as the savour of the world ,,even newagers are expecting him to come ,,




From where the Antichrist will come.

In the First Testament, the prophets Isaiah, Ezekiel and Daniel provided a great deal of information about the Antichrist. With what is revealed in the Second Testament we can know from where the Antichrist will come.

Daniel received a prophecy from God revealing that the Antichrist will confirm a treaty guaranteeing Israel’s security. Then, after 3 ½ years, the Antichrist will set himself up in the Jewish Temple and proclaim that he is God. This abomination will initiate the Great Tribulation which will last 3 ½ years.

At the end of the Great Tribulation, Christ will return, establish His Kingdom on earth and destroy the Antichrist. First, the Antichrist will be Israel’s protector before he attempts destroy everyone who refuses to worship him.

Daniel referred to the Antichrist as "the leader who will come, the little horn, the beast and the stern faced king."

In Daniel 11, he also referred to the Antichrist as the king of the North. The king of the North and the land of the North is what Jeremiah called the territory of the Assyria and Babylon. The Assyrian Empire was conquered by the Babylonians in 626 B.C. Both the Assyrian capital of Asshur and the Babylonian capital of Babylon were located in present day Iraq, see map below.

These empires essentially comprised the same territory which included present day Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

Present Day Middle Eastern Countries



In Ezekiel 38 and 39 the Antichrist’s two campaigns against Israel are interwoven in the prophecy. Included are details of the Antichrist and his armies coming against Israel at the beginning of the Great Tribulation. The prophecy also describes the Antichrist and his armies coming against Jerusalem at the end of the age.

Ezekiel refers to the Antichrist as Gog, the chief prince, from the land of Magog. The ancient land of Magog included some of the territory represented by present day Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbajan, and Russia near the Black Sea.

Isaiah referred to the Antichrist as the Assyrian and the king of Assyria. One of Isaiah’s several prophecies on the topic tells how Israel will at first rely on the Assyrian until he beats them with the club. But, then finally they will turn to the Holy One of Israel. This description depicts the last 7 years of the Time of the End when the Antichrist will be Israel’s protector (first 3.5 years) until he attempts to wipe them out in the Great Tribulation (last 3.5 years).

Isaiah’s prophecy also says that a remnant of Israel will turn to Yahweh and be saved from the Antichrist. When Isaiah refers to the Antichrist as the Assyrian, he is indicating from where the Antichrist will come. Ancient Assyria included territories represented by present day Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran.

Jesus, John and Paul spoke about the Antichrist. Jesus called the Antichrist 'the abomination that causes desolation.' Paul called the Antichrist 'the man of lawlessness' and 'the lawless one.' However, neither Jesus nor Paul indicated from where the Antichrist would come.

In Revelation 13, John said that the Antichrist and his kingdom would be like a lion, a leopard and a bear. Daniel used these likenesses for the Babylonian, Media-Persian and Greek Empires.

The Bible again and again indicates that the Antichrist will come from the Middle East.

With biblical prophecy consistently pointing to the Middle East as the origin of the Antichrist, why do some people believe that the Antichrist will come from a revived Roman Empire like the European Common Market?

This deception is from a sentence in Daniel 9:26 which says, “The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.”

One subject of Daniel 9:26 above, is "the people", the other is "the ruler who will come".

The people will be of the same people as the ruler who will come. This means the people and the ruler will be of the same national origin. If the people are Greek then the leader in question will be Greek. So, when we know the national origin of the people we will also know the national origin of the leader.

Part of this prophecy was fulfilled in 70 A.D. when the Roman army destroyed Jerusalem and the Jewish sanctuary. According Josephus, the people that destroyed the sanctuary were predominately Syrian.

Some people have incorrectly assumed that, because it was a Roman army, the people who destroyed the city and the sanctuary were Romans. However, it was customary for Rome to conscript soldiers from territories they had conquered. In this campaign the Roman troops were predominately Syrians.

Therefore, the ruler who will come will be of Syrian origin. Syria, at that time, included some of the territory of present day Syria, Lebanon and Turkey.

The ruler who will come is the Antichrist which is confirmed in Daniel 9:27. Daniel identifies the ruler who will come this way.


“He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him"

Therefore, Daniel is indicating in this prophecy that the Antichrist will come from the Middle East.



Richard H Perry

 2014/8/4 2:53Profile
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And then there is Revelation 11:8:

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jerusalem spiritually called Sodom and Gomorrah...how close are we to seeing this? I posted this in the News and current events forum. I will post the link here also:

http://christiannews.net/2014/08/02/israeli-wedding-hall-remains-closed-after-christians-ordered-to-host-gay-ceremonies/


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 2014/8/4 19:19Profile









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Hi brothergary,

That is one big definate out of a lot of supposition. Many people have many theories and none of them are proven, which negates us ruling out any out of hand, for none of us know. When Germany took over lands in the east, they used many soldiers from the Ukraine and Latvia and lithuania to be part of death squads. Yet it was the German army, the German leadership and the German Nazis responsible for the massacres that took place. The Romans destroyed Jerusalem and it is very likely that the anti-christ will come out of the revived Roman Empire. If one looks at America as a Republic, with a Senate and a congress, we see a revived Roman empire built by the peoples of the Roman Empire. And who better to negotiate a peace in the middle east? Turkey? No, the most powerful country the world has ever seen. A revival of the Roman empire only much much stronger. The American president is and will be for the foreseeable future, the strongest man in the world with the most deadliest arsenal at his fingertips. No one could withstand America if it chose to be truly dominant. It has not up till now. Yet in the time to come, a strong man will emerge out of world chaos and bring all of these chaotic forces to heel and the world will love him for it. Add to that signs and wonders and miracles right there on CNN and Fox and cable networks around the world, the world will gasp to know that god has stepped down. The religious leaders, led by the false prophet, the pope, will confirm that this man is indeed god come down amongst us to bring peace with a sword. This of course is merely a theory, I do not say that you are wrong brother, for who amongst us truly knows?.....bro Frank

 2014/8/4 20:13
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Quote: The Romans destroyed Jerusalem and it is very likely that the anti-christ will come out of the revived Roman Empire.

According to Daniel, the Antichrist will come from among the people who destroyed the Temple. Therefore, we can be certain that the Antichrist will come from among the Roman people.

However, coming from among the Roman people does not automatically mean that the Antichrist will be of Italian heritage or Roman ethnicity. It simply means he must come from among the people who were part of the Roman Empire at that time. From an ethnic standpoint, this leaves the door open to countless possibilities. The Roman Empire covered most of the known world in its day, and Roman citizenship was extended to many non-Italian peoples. Apostle Paul can be used as an example of this as you could say he was a Jewish-Roman.

Daniel chapter 8 provides us with further clues in regard to the life and times of the Antichrist. In it, the angel Gabriel explains Daniel's vision of a ram and a goat as events relating to the Greek empire of Alexander the Great. In a claim verified by history, Gabriel states that following the death of Alexander, the empire will be divided into four parts. From one of those four parts, the Antichrist will arise: Dan 8:21-24.

Daniel 11 provides an in-depth examination of the history of the breakup Alexander's empire, describing historical events relating to the king of the North and the king of the South. The latter part of the chapter describes the Antichrist, identifying him with other historical figures who have held the title "king of the North." This, along with the passage cited above, clearly links the Antichrist to the northern kingdom of the divided Greek Empire. This kingdom was ruled by one of Alexander's generals, Seleucus, who ruled the areas of Syria, Mesopotamia, and Persia.

Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that the Antichrist will in some way be linked to this geographic area of the Middle East.

Who better is there to negotiate a peace in the middle east? The leader of a Islamic Caliphate who rules Syria, Mesopotamia, and Persia.

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Murrcolr,

What happens in the middle east happens because America allows it to happen. Make no mistake, America supplies most of the heavy weapons to most of the regimes of the Middle East, and plows billions of dollars into all parties. It could be argued that without American arms the parties would have a difficult time killing each other. The point being, only an entity as powerful as America can broker a peace, compel a peace, on unwilling partners. The world has never seen America actually exercise it's true power, only glimpses of it now and again. America has more strategic nuclear weapons that all the other eight nuclear powers combined.

Peoples came from all over the former Roman Empire and built this country into the most powerful wealthiest country the world has ever known. In the last four years I have been to Washington DC and Rome. The similarities are striking, absolutely striking............bro Frank

 2014/8/4 23:59
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Quote: What happens in the middle east happens because America allows it to happen.

No, what happens in the Middle East happens because God allows it. America may supply the weapons but at the end of the day it's to fulfil God's plans and purposes.

Quote: The point being, only an entity as powerful as America can broker a peace, compel a peace, on unwilling partners.

The most powerful nation in the world has failed and will continually fail to bring peace.

But the Anti-Christ will arise and "by peace shall he destroy many”


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Colin Murray

 2014/8/5 7:08Profile









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Murrcolr, what happens in the whole world is because God allows it to happen, that is a given, we are talking about possible end time scenarios.

The scenario is that the anti-christ arises in America and brings peace through strength in the Middle East.......bro Frank

 2014/8/5 8:19
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Quote:The scenario is that the anti-christ arises in America and brings peace through strength in the Middle East.......bro Frank

But that doesn't fit into scripture. Scripture clearly links the Antichrist to the northern kingdom of the divided Greek Empire. This kingdom was ruled by one of Alexander's generals, Seleucus, who ruled the areas of Syria, Mesopotamia, and Persia.





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That's pretty much how I see it happening. The Papacy is already trying to bring all the world religions together.


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